Some Ideas...

[The Everard]

WHY IBERIA? Israel had far influence on world history than important than portugal. The mod is WAY too biased towards europe as it is. Didnt you read the post properly there are literally hundreds of important cities that could be added heres some more: Damascus, Acre, Cyprus, Rhodes, cicilia.ect.ect.ect

Besides what important events occured in Iberia anyway? All I can think of is the moors and the reconquestica and has never been constested by a forigehn power since.

In contrast in palestines entire history it has been a very contested area.

"how would you enlarge the area?"

Oh, Im sure you could think of something Rhye.

What could be more important than RFC (other than BtS) anyway?

 

[flyingchicken]

Civ is more about economic and military power than influence. Israel never did anything in those lines that would need more land.

 

[Edungeon]

WHY IBERIA?

Because if you play the game in the Colonization Era, it is very Unrealist ( but for me is the best era to play ).

And please, don't say that Isreel is better than Portugal or Spain, things like that always result in flame wars.

I really thing that Portugal is a great idea, because it will change all the face of the Medieval World>Onwards. Portugal was the first to Circumnavigate, the first to make the Caravel... well in this Era they were very important.

Another idea that i have is expanded Low Contries ( maybe to dificult to have ) because of Holland... they could have just one city, no problem, but with good tiles they could colonizane a lot of place and with a commercial UP they can make a good addtion.

I dislike the idea of Israel, don't think they were a "civilization" in the game terms, and they never went out of their Capital...

PS: I even think that civ doesn't need Judaism, because of all that we discussed in the "Change to Zoroasntrianism Topic"

 

[LuKo]

I asked before: why Holland is better than Poland?

 

[Whitefire]

I asked before: why Holland is better than Poland?

Holland had a global empire, directly affecting more people and politics than the euro-only Poland?

 

[Pyro]

Civ is more about economic and military power than influence. Israel never did anything in those lines that would need more land.

economic power ey? then why not add switzerland while we're at it?
I mean we even have an italian speaking part, that must account for something, doesn't it Rhye?

no, seriously though, I think Zoroastrianism would be a good replacement for Judaism!

 

[LuKo]

Holland had a global empire, directly affecting more people and politics than the euro-only Poland?

Holland had empire but quickly their power was destroyed. And there were many "global empires"- Spain, Portugal, England, France, Belgium, Russia, later: Italy, USA, Japan, Germany. I think that Jagiellon dynasty affected "more people and politics" than Holland

 

[Rhye]

economic power ey? then why not add switzerland while we're at it?
I mean we even have an italian speaking part, that must account for something, doesn't it Rhye?

yeah, Switzerland is the winner


seriously, I would have considered adding Israel (i recognize its importance) if I had decent assets available. But even if there had been, after a 1st try, chances were very low anyway. Its starting location is just too close to others and there is basically no planned expansion - 1 city civ.
1 city civ is a wasted civ slot

 

[sennomulo]

Luxembourg is clearly a better choice than Switzerland. Can we please see a Luxembourg civ in the next version?

Seriously, though, I think if there were more civs to be added, they would be best placed in the empty portions of the map: the Zulus, the Ethiopians, and the Thai would be good choices.

As far as European civs go, I think it would be neat to have an Italian civ spawn in 1870. With the loss of the peninsula, this would pretty much guarantee the immediate collapse of Rome, which might be unfair though in that Rome would be the only civ that's impossible to play through to the end.

Other than that, Europe is just too crowded to fit another civ in. Iberia is too small to cram Portugal in there, adding Poland gives Germany too little room, and Holland just has no hope.

 

[The Everard]

I said ADD zorastriansim NOT REPLACE JUDAISM. I dont see why it has replace judaism thats why I didnt post it on the "Alternate to judaism thread".
I mean keeping both wouldnt make it slower or anything.

Speaking of religons there is a feature on a mod (Total realism) that RFC could rip off and it works really well. It called inquisitors and they remove religons. They are enabled with Theocracy so you need theology obviously. But they only make sense if non-state religons add unhappiness with certain civics. i.e Organized Religon, Theocracy, perhaps paganism?

If Civ is rated on economic and military power thne wgy is Inidia included? They were never great conquerers and half their people live in poverty (They did make you huge cultural acheivments and influence but of course that doesnt count does it?

 

[Edungeon]

Other than that, Europe is just too crowded to fit another civ in. Iberia is too small to cram Portugal in there, adding Poland gives Germany too little room, and Holland just has no hope.

Portugal: Expanded Iberia! ( oh boy, i'm starting to annoing >_< )

Austria: Will take all the greek cities in the north, an if made correctly will not take any German land.

Zulus: Nah.... they will be like Mali Aztec and Inca, a European country will never declare war on them and they will conquer all Africa.

Ethiopia: I like this idea...

Thai: Good too, maybe the only change is to make a better Terrain in Indochina, currently it sucks!

 

[flyingchicken]

@The Everard

"More about a" from a a set {a, b, c} doesn't discount b and c, my fellow highly advanced and highly evolved monkey with an exceptionally large cranial area.

Civ, as in how it is played (not as a criteria for choosing the inclusion of Civs), is more on economic power and military. Israel never conquered beyond their little area and they never had a really powerful economy.

Economy, in gameplay terms, is not how many of your citizens live in poverty. Rather, it is about food, commerce, and production. The area of India had lots of use for these. The area of Israel did not.

My point was and is, expanding the area of Israel (not the "including an Israel Civ") would be pointless in gameplay terms, as it works well enough now.

 

[The Everard]

Poland isbetter than all of those (xept ethiopia) and Israel better still.

Israel was certainly not a single city state what about these cities it owned: Bethlehem, Judea, Hebron, Petra, Beirut (Short period during the six day war) Haifa, Tel aviv, Ashdod, Beersheba, Petah TikvaNetanya ect.

 

[Gunner]

When we say single city state, its referring to cities on the RFC map.

 

[The Everard]

Well even so there are civs that are often played with no more than 3 cities such as the Hellenes and Babylon.

Has rhye considered Zorastrianism now that he knows the buildings are avaliable?

 

[mitsho]

1 =/= 3 !

Infact,

1<<<3 in Civ4 terms

mfG mick

 

[sennomulo]

Portugal: Expanded Iberia! ( oh boy, i'm starting to annoing >_< )

Don't get me wrong. I would love to see Portugal in the game. You could add another strip of land tiles on the west coast, but anything more than that would make it look too weird. If Portugal could somehow be squeezed in there without either it or Spain being unbalanced, that would be great.

Austria: Will take all the greek cities in the north, an if made correctly will not take any German land.

Now that is an interesting idea! I don't see why it couldn't or shouldn't be done. Some say that Austria is too similar to Germany to be its own civ, but I think it's sufficiently distinct and historically important.

Zulus: Nah.... they will be like Mali Aztec and Inca, a European country will never declare war on them and they will conquer all Africa.

You're probably right about that. Perhaps this is one of those places that's best left empty so it can be colonized by the Europeans.

Thai: Good too, maybe the only change is to make a better Terrain in Indochina, currently it sucks!

Yes, but it can't be improved too much. There is a lot of jungle in that region, which must be represented.

 

[kairob]

I think Austria would be a good addition too

 

[Edungeon]

I think Austria would be a good addition too

Yeah, and we could have a Great War scenario, GB, France and Rome(Italy) VS Germany, Turkey and Austria.

 

[moinllieon]

Poland won Battle of Vienna (one of most important reasons of collapsing Ottoman Empire)

No argument against the idea that Poland, for times in their history, have been stronger than Russia, much stronger but what? The Battle of Vienna did, once and for all, stop Turkish advances into Europe, but to call it as a reason for the collapse of the Ottoman Empire is a bit out there isn't it? The Empire kept going for another 250 years or so after the Battle of Vienna, it didn't really seriously start to decline until about 150 years after the siege. It's difficult to overstate the importance of the Siege of Vienna but... I think you just did.

Anyways, back to the matter at hand, I really don't think any civilization needs to be added. There just isn't that much space left on the map for them (unless Rhye feels like going to the Giant Earth Map at this late stage).