Strategic Junction

dutchfire

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I've had a look at the save, and at the moment I see two ways our nation could head. The peaceful way, and the military way. I'll try to explain the general plan of both strategies, list the advantages and disadvantages of both strategies.

The Peaceful way AKA Pax Confucius

At the moment, we're the score leader. However Bismarck is posing a threat to that situation, he has had his first great scientist and used it to lightbulb Philosophy. He is now Taoist. He has also built the Pyramids. I fear that he will expand quickly, and that his empire will be big if we don't stop him. He could be unstoppable later, when he has had time to improve his empire and protect it. At the same time our neighbour Napoleon is backwards, small, and without room to expand. We have locked him succesfully in a corner of our continent. If we can do the same thing with Bismarck, and Julius Caesar at the same time, then we'll be the uncontested leader of our continent. What we will have to do for this to succeed is settling more cities. I propose the following locations in this order: City A, Banana City, Ivory City, Fishing Village, Plantation City, GP farm, City X
Spoiler screenshots :
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For this plan to work best, we should trade Priesthood and Horsebackriding to Julius Caesar for Mathematics. We should then research Calendar (7 turns) for plantations, machinery (12), paper (10) and printing press (31) (helped by lightbulbing). NoneOfTheAbove and Riversight should grow to their maximal happiness at all moments, during this growth they should build military units. When they're at their maximum happiness, they should build settlers and workers, with settlers being the first priority. Equus Aurum should build confucian missionaries and perhaps squeeze in a worker every now and then. Coppertown should build workers and settlers when it's at 4 pop, so it can work all it's best tiles. To reach size 4, it should build a granary first.

Advantages
This plan will give us:
  • a lot of uncontested land. And we all know that land is power.
  • almost all resources, granting bigger cities, and therefor more productive capacity.
  • A great cottage economy. We can reach printing press very soon by beelining. We will have a lot of grassland after the jungle is cleared, and all this grassland can be cottaged.
  • A buffer against foreign attacks.
  • We will still have the chance to knock out Napoleon after we've executed this plan, as he doesn't look like he's getting anywhere.

Disadvantages
  • There's a chance that Napoleon will attack us, although we're currently the most powerful nation in the world, and we'll most likely be able to hold that position.
  • Other nations might get to certain city sites first.
  • The expansion will cost a lot of gold and production, and might leave us behind for a period of time. I think that in the end, the expansion will pay of though.

The Warmonger's Plan AKA Die Napoleon, Die!
Napoleon has placed some of his cities near ours. They're only defended by a small forces. We could easily build a small army of Keshiks in a couple of turns and take Rheims and Lyons. We could then capture Orleans and Paris, thereby killing Napoleon off completly. This way we'll have eliminated one opponent, and we'll have a new area under our control. We should make the same trade for Math with Julius, and then research construction and machinery.

A possible attack plan:
Build Keshiks and swords in NotA and send them to Lyons, send our current army towards Rheims, declare war and take the cities on the first turn. Then move in on Orleans. This war could be started within 10 turns if we concentrate on it.
Spoiler :
attackplanqw2.jpg


Advantages
  • We'll knock out Napoleon permanently.
  • We'll build up a army to go after other civs next.
  • All Napoleon's territory will belong to us.
  • No more threat near our core.

Disadvantages
  • This plan might give Bismarck and Julius Caesar the time to fill up the rest of our continent with their cities.
  • The cost of the war might make us backwards in comparison to the economical power of Bismarck.
  • This plan might harm trading, as we'll kill of one trading partner, and get diplomatic problems with the other two.

Now, I apologize for this long post, but I think we have something very important to consider at the moment. I'm leaning towards the peaceful plan at the moment, and I hope that you will contribute other plans or improvements for these plans. I'm looking forward to hearing all your responses to these plans.
 
The Warmonger tactic sounds nice but how long will it take us to get that army up and running? Just as long as it takes Nappy to build more spearman?
 
The Warmonger tactic sounds nice but how long will it take us to get that army up and running? Just as long as it takes Nappy to build more spearman?

I think that NotA alone can build a military unit every other turn, if needed. Add Riversight and Coppertown and we can bang some French heads within a few turns.

But I still prefer the Peaceful approach. Bismarck is our main enemy, not Napoleon.
 
No but nappy could give us a nasty shock if we are not careful

Therefor we should build a small army and keep it in Coppertown/Riversight. We are currently stronger than Napoleon, and I think we can keep it that way.
 
Connect a road from NotA to Lyons. We can "roll in" right from NotA then.
 
Have we got cats yet?
 
I'm certain we can best succeed with the peaceful plan, my suggestion however would be to move the plantation city up to either the first or second one founded, because that site is surely where Napoleon intends to send his next settler.
 
I'm certain we can best succeed with the peaceful plan, my suggestion however would be to move the plantation city up to either the first or second one founded, because that site is surely where Napoleon intends to send his next settler.

My reasoning for doing this site later is that it doesn't really matter whether we take it, or Napoleon does as we'll probably attack and capture all French land after the expansion phase anyway. Letting the French settle there first will just save us a settler :p
 
Nappy will eventually declare war, i think we can be pretty certain about that so if we go for the peaceful plan we will still proberly still end up doing the war plan
 
With the added benefit of some more free territory for us, and less for Bismarck.
 
It's always better to have an AI declare war on you, assuming you're prepared enough, saves a few diplomatic points.
 
With the added benefit of some more free territory for us, and less for Bismarck.


Of course but i really really want to avoid us becoming complacent, because it could wreck our game plan if we are invaded.
 
Excellent! A plan! As I see it, this game cannot exist without.

And very well done it is.

While the peaceful path looks more appealing and rewarding (and really it is)

is also much more dangerous, IMHO; our territorial coherence to the

northwest will be minimum and we can become target of a conjunct attack

from French and a north Civ.

I would prefer the war path, at least to begin with, that is, Rheims,Lions and

Orleans; total whip or not, to be decided later.

Then, as soon and as extensive as possible the peaceful expansion.

(War then peace safer than peace then war, I think).

And my deep congratulations, dutchfire.

Best regards,
 
Thanks fed!

I'd have to disagree though, I don't think the risks of the peaceful path are that much higher than those of the warmongers path. Sure, the chances of some failure are higher, but I think that the expected reward from the peaceful path is much higher than that of the warmongers path. Especially when considering that there are civs on another continent too. As a peacemonger, we still have a chance to circumnavigate and find them first.
 
My preliminary opinion (as I don't have the save in front of me)...

I agree with the Peaceful path, we've recovered greatly from our militarily poor position. And we can continue a decent military build up for defense while following the peaceful path.

Peaceful development of our economy and infrastructure is very important for future development. However I want to be sure... if Napoleon decides to attack we have the ability to wipe him out for good. Not to mention that Napoleon should not be able to do any real damage even in those initial attacks.

EDIT: Also we're not on top on the powergraph. Napoleon is still ahead of us... however we have passed Germany and Rome on the Power graph.
 
It's interesting that the nation with the lowest score has the most power, that's generally a sign that something is being prepared, if we choose the war pathway we'd probably have to face heavy resistance from the French.
 
Also FYI: overall relations with Napoleon are -2

+1 Years of Peace
-2 Close Borders
-1 Refused to give us tribute
 
As long as we don't see any French stacks appearing we shouldn't worry. Our army at the moment is pretty decent.
 
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