Switching to Republic makes me lose 25+ gpt...
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smackster
SGOTM
Post a save, that would tell us why for sure.Cutwolf said:
Too much troop maintenance, not enough luxuries to keep people happy are a start.
Smackster
Same thing happened in my game. Republic goverment pays for each military unit, while monarchy government does not. If you have a large enough military force, the maintenance cost will neutralize the advantage of more total income.
as soon as the cities grows biger, the advantage will overcome this shortage. So don't worry.
as soon as the cities grows biger, the advantage will overcome this shortage. So don't worry.
This makes me recall my early civ2 experience.
At that time, I always believed democracy > republic > monarchy. So I changed to republic as soon as I rushed to get this tech. But soon I realized this was a big mistake, because I needed more shields to support units, more money to put on entertainment. So the conclusion is: there is a balance. At some stage monarchy is better, after some point republic becomes better. And usually when I reach that point, I have democracy, which is much better than republic. Thus republic become totally useless.
At that time, I always believed democracy > republic > monarchy. So I changed to republic as soon as I rushed to get this tech. But soon I realized this was a big mistake, because I needed more shields to support units, more money to put on entertainment. So the conclusion is: there is a balance. At some stage monarchy is better, after some point republic becomes better. And usually when I reach that point, I have democracy, which is much better than republic. Thus republic become totally useless.
xiaoafei said:Same thing happened in my game. Republic goverment pays for each military unit, while monarchy government does not. If you have a large enough military force, the maintenance cost will neutralize the advantage of more total income.
as soon as the cities grows biger, the advantage will overcome this shortage. So don't worry.
republic HAS a smal unit support 1 per town 3 per city 4 per metropolis
monarchy has bigger unit suport 2 per town 4 per city 8 per metropolis
if you go over your unit support limit you pay 1 gpt for every unit icluding workers and settelers
and EVERY goverment pays unit support only anarchy is free
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smackster
SGOTM
Republic is often the only government you will need for the whole of the game. Well it depends if you want to win quickly, or not. The unit support depends on what game you are playing , or ![[ptw]](/images/smilies/ptw.gif "PTW Icon [ptw]")
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If your troop maintenance is high then the first thing to do is to use them (your troops that is), capture some more towns, and lose a few troops. If you capture some luxuries also then you are on to a winner. Repeat for the rest of the game. If you have enough luxuries then you'll not need to switch back to Monarchy.
If however, you get stuck in a long war, things can start to go wrong. Like everything in civ there are many ways to play it.
Smackster
, or /If your troop maintenance is high then the first thing to do is to use them (your troops that is), capture some more towns, and lose a few troops. If you capture some luxuries also then you are on to a winner. Repeat for the rest of the game. If you have enough luxuries then you'll not need to switch back to Monarchy.
If however, you get stuck in a long war, things can start to go wrong. Like everything in civ there are many ways to play it.
Smackster
Masquerouge
Deity
Clearly your military units are the cause for this. But as said, don't worry, once your cities start to grow, the cash will soon flow in.
I remember my first civ1 games in which I NEVER changed goverments because I didn't see the point ; every time I started to loose money and my cities rioted. So my first 10 games, I stayed in Despotism till the end...
I remember my first civ1 games in which I NEVER changed goverments because I didn't see the point ; every time I started to loose money and my cities rioted. So my first 10 games, I stayed in Despotism till the end...
Cutwolf said:
This is normal.Have you build marketplaces?It is fondamental having them and after that Banks etc.Also Traiding is way to important for the growth of an economy,and FB.
It is not that simple having sciense at 80% with republic or democracy.
Nate128
Bow to your king.
You could try building a FP farther away from your capital to bring in more money because of lowered corruption.
Moff Jerjerrod
Deity
Before switching to republic it is a good idea to have at least 4 or 5 size 7+ cities. Marketplaces and Libraries must be present in at least 75% of all your towns/cities to make republic more profitable while still having a big army.
This is based on my exeperience and observations. If I don't have many luxuries and plan on fighting a few wars I go for monarchy but until democracy comes along republic is a better government to have. As always the current and near future situation dictates what govt. to go for.
This is based on my exeperience and observations. If I don't have many luxuries and plan on fighting a few wars I go for monarchy but until democracy comes along republic is a better government to have. As always the current and near future situation dictates what govt. to go for.
To summarize what has been mentioned, you almost always will have a negative gpt after switching from despotism to republic. Republic is so much more efficient in research. If you noticed, in despotism what you were researching before the transition has a lower turn research after you switch to republic. In despotism, you can pretty much stay at 80-90%, but not save much money. This is not to say that you should switch to republic as fast as possible. All the troops you have been massing in despotism will cost you dearly after the switch to republic, since republic has a lower unit support per town or city. It's best to have marketplaces, libraries, and aquaducts built in more than half your cities before switching to republic.
smackster
SGOTM
More important than anything is the food bonus you get for Monarchy/Republic, so switching out of despotism is very important. Given the choice, most of the time Republic does make more sense than Monarchy. The anarchy period switching from Monarchy to Republic is not worth the loss, so generally going straight to Republic is the preferrred route. Now if you are a religious civ, you have more of a choice.
Smackster
Smackster
I almost always switch to Republic as fast as I possibly can. Getting rid of the Despotism penalty is huge. The commerce bonus and corruption benefit are almost as large. If you check, you might note that you're actually researching faster in Republic at 50% than you were in Despotism at 90%. It's certainly possible.
If your military is way too large for Republic, it's time to spend some it. Go a-conquering! Or disband some, if it's old and outdated. Or maybe it's the right size and you just need a time to grow into it -- you'll do it a LOT faster in Republic than you will in Despotism, so just realize that you're really helping yourself longterm by the switch to Republic and go on.
Also, I don't know if you're checking your cities. Happiness can cause Republic to look less efficient than it really is, if you trust your stupid governors and leave your lux tax locked at 0%. Spending some money on lux tax can actually increase your total gold, especially in Republic. You might want to check that out, too.
Arathorn
If your military is way too large for Republic, it's time to spend some it. Go a-conquering! Or disband some, if it's old and outdated. Or maybe it's the right size and you just need a time to grow into it -- you'll do it a LOT faster in Republic than you will in Despotism, so just realize that you're really helping yourself longterm by the switch to Republic and go on.
Also, I don't know if you're checking your cities. Happiness can cause Republic to look less efficient than it really is, if you trust your stupid governors and leave your lux tax locked at 0%. Spending some money on lux tax can actually increase your total gold, especially in Republic. You might want to check that out, too.
Arathorn
Moff Jerjerrod
Deity
Arathorn:
You have an excellent point there wrt to the luxury slider setting.
It's been a while since I've used republic but you just jarred my memory there. It is very important to keep the people happy in republic, the money output you get as a result of that happiness is great.
You have an excellent point there wrt to the luxury slider setting.
It's been a while since I've used republic but you just jarred my memory there. It is very important to keep the people happy in republic, the money output you get as a result of that happiness is great.
