jjochems78
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Is this a software bug? I have a few modern armors that are promoted to the teeth on collateral damage and never seem to get any collateral damage off of them.
Tank/Modern Armor Collateral Damage doesn't work?
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s.bernbaum
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What version of CIV are you playing? In the original game, called vanilla around here, you do get collateral damage promotions for tanks and modern armor and it works. In the latest version of the Beyond the Sword (BTS) expansion, the promotion is no longer available. Somewhere in between (I don't recall if it is Warlords or an early version of BTS) they removed the ability for these units to cause collateral damage but forgot to remove the promotion, making it a useless promotion.
jjochems78
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Yeah its BtS. I did play vanilla for a while and remember it working. But in the transistion, it took me a while to notice the collateral damage wasn't working. Thanks.
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
Patch 3.13 allowed you to take the promotion even when it had no effect IIRC.
Upgrade to 3.19.
Upgrade to 3.19.
obsolete
Deity
It was a bug from another UNTESTED PATCH. Just like all the patches are never tested. Go figure that one out.
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
Well at least they released a patch, they are under no obligation to do so.
They know that the public will test the patch for them
Releasing patches is basically working for free (except it may generate future revenue from goodwill of course).
They know that the public will test the patch for them
Releasing patches is basically working for free (except it may generate future revenue from goodwill of course).
Psyringe
Scout
As far as I know, the patches were tested. IIRC at least one patch for vanilla was announced, then withdrawn, and later released two version numbers higher than originally announced. I don't know where obsolete got this idea from.
Ghpstage
Deity
BTS patches have a bad track record, the last one broke
overflow, the one before quadrupled barb galley spawns for no reason which has never been fixed, another broke spread culture spy missions though that has been fixed now and somewhere along the line the OPs topic happened 
obsolete
Deity
You are either kidding me, or someone here is really obtuse.
While this is true, if you purchase a faulty product, you'd expect the company to either fix the product or give you your money back.
Psyringe
Scout
Neither, actually. I'm pointing out that the claim that all Civ4 patches were (as you put it) "UNTESTED" is, to my knowledge, simply not true. If you think otherwise, then I'd be interested in your sources. A thinly veiled personal attack is not a good replacement for an actual argument.
You could say that each of the last three BtS patches had a problem, in that case I'd agree with you.
Bloodstone
Warlord
OK, then I'll ask the really dumb question since I don't seem to be getting the gist of the answer.
Does 3.19 fix the collatoral damg. bug? Are Tanks/Armor supposed to get coll. damg.? I just bought BTS and started playing it this week, I've added BUG 4.4 and the better AI features, just wondering if this was fixed or should have not happened originally.
Thanks
Does 3.19 fix the collatoral damg. bug? Are Tanks/Armor supposed to get coll. damg.? I just bought BTS and started playing it this week, I've added BUG 4.4 and the better AI features, just wondering if this was fixed or should have not happened originally.
Thanks
s.bernbaum
Mostly lurking
The answer to your question is that collateral damage done by tanks and modern armor was removed on purpose. The bug was leaving the promotion, which no longer worked, available. That bug has been fixed. You can, using the 3.19 patch, no longer find the promotion for tanks or modern armor. It is gone as intended.
The reason that you can't pick out the answer from the conversation going on in this thread is that a couple of the most active participants in the thread carried the conversation off on a tangent that does not address your question.
Psyringe
Scout
In short: Tanks/armor are not supposed to deal out collateral damage, and BtS 3.19 correctly prevents you from giving them the respective promotions.
Historically, the situation s a bit more complex, since the game's designers changed their stance on this subject between vanilla Civ4 and BtS 3.19. In vanilla, tanks/armor can be given collateral damage promotions, and doing so has the expected effect. There's also a former BtS patch in which you could give tanks/armor the collateral damage promotions, but they didn't have any effect. This was clearly broken, but sparked some hefty discussions as to what was the desired effect: Did the designers intend to remove collateral damage from tanks (but mistakenly allowed you to give them the respective promotions), or did they intend to keep tanks able to get collateral damage promotions (and just broke something so that the promotions didn't have any effect any more). Since the last patches to BtS went for the former alternative, the community now believes that this was the desired outcome.
