Tank versus spearman, the ongoing struggle

[norwegianviking]

we all know that for some reason it is possible for a spearman to beat a tank, I started this thread to hold some stories of times and situations in which a spearman has beaten a tank. If I get enough stories I may be able to tell you what situations tanks can be beaten, and spearmen can be lost. Wouldn't that help out?

 

[Randy]

Only one time did a spearman beat my tank. but I was attacking with a 1 of 5 hp tank trying to take the last defender in a city.

 

[norwegianviking]

Note: Tanks will always lose suicide missions

 

[The Omega]

I'm actually working on a scenarion where this is supposed to happen..........it's called "Super Spearmen", coming soon to a forum near you!
Smilies!

 

[Longasc]

It should also be noted that a lone spearman on a mountain can stop a tanks division.

 

[-Gladiator-]

I hate spearmen, in the game that i'm playing now, I'm just conquering the zulus, all their impis seem to have superhuman powers-like 1 impi killed 7 cavalrys...thats like not possible :shakehead ...I've had many times when a spearman has beaten a tank...usually it has happened if I'm attacking from a desert or tundra and the spearman is on a mountain...

 

[Drakan]

In the bonus disk of CFC you have the conditions in which this happens, IIRC:

A full 4/5-hp tank may lose against a spearman fortified (25% defense bonus) on a city perched on a hilltop (50% defense bonus), with walls or being the city bigger than size 6 (to obtain the 50% defense bonus), with civil defense (50% defense bonus), a radar tower in action range (25% defense bonus), and being the city behind a river (so as to get the 25% defense bonus). So If you add all these defense bonuses together, it's no ordinary spearman you're engaging with defense of only 2. So if I'm not mistaken the guy has well over than 12 defense when you attack him under the said criteria. And tanks only have 16 attack. So it's very likely you'll lose the tank.
Use the combat calculator to see you're odds.
And then, obviously you have to take into account the RNG which at times does some peculiar things.
Check out the story The Spearman in the Stories&Tales forum.

 

[T-Money]

The tank-spear thing just happened to me today, and I had a question about it, so I'll put it here since it's relevant. Don't mean to jump topic or anything.

I was playing Germany, looking forward to getting Motorized Transportation so I could get Panzers. I finally got it, nailed the SGL, used it to scoop up UN later on (denial for the oh-so-popular Indians). I attacked the Indiands, who had failed to upgrade anything past Middle-Ages level units due to their lack of oil, rubber, aluminum, and uranium. But when I rolled my Panzers over there, three of them died the first turn. Now, my question is, are Panzers weakened if you used the second attack granted by the Blitz feature? This is the only thing I can think of aside from rotten luck.

 

[Drakan]

I'm not sure on that. There shouln't be any difference in strength in the blitz attack unless you have lost some hp's in the previous first attack. This would greatly diminish the chances of a favourable outcome for your panzerwagen.

A redlined panzer may lose very easily against a pikeman for example fortified in a city with walls and so on...

 

[Espírito]

A regular warrior almost beat my regular tank, both redlined then warrior died, not quite the underdog winning but it certainly scared me...

 

[WackenOpenAir]

In the bonus disk of CFC you have the conditions in which this happens, IIRC:

A full 4/5-hp tank may lose against a spearman fortified (25% defense bonus) on a city perched on a hilltop (50% defense bonus), with walls or being the city bigger than size 6 (to obtain the 50% defense bonus), with civil defense (50% defense bonus), a radar tower in action range (25% defense bonus), and being the city behind a river (so as to get the 25% defense bonus). So If you add all these defense bonuses together, it's no ordinary spearman you're engaging with defense of only 2. So if I'm not mistaken the guy has well over than 12 defense when you attack him under the said criteria. And tanks only have 16 attack. So it's very likely you'll lose the tank.
Use the combat calculator to see you're odds.
And then, obviously you have to take into account the RNG which at times does some peculiar things.
Check out the story The Spearman in the Stories&Tales forum.

The bonusses are added, not mulitplied right ?
so: 25+50+50+50+25+25 = 225% makes it 6.5 defence.

 

[Grohan]

I lost Modern armor with 3 HP to 1 Hp pikeman and pike was last defender in that city
I also lost full HP cavalry army to lone regular musketman in walled town.

 

[Aggie]

Now, my question is, are Panzers weakened if you used the second attack granted by the Blitz feature? This is the only thing I can think of aside from rotten luck.

No. The panzers has no weaker attack strength in the 2nd or 3rd blitz wave, unless is it wounded in previous attacks. So 4 HP panzers are just as strong in the 3rd blitz as in the 1st.

I know that this was different in Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, not sure about CIV2 (barely known by me).

 

[Drakan]

The bonusses are added, not mulitplied right ?
so: 25+50+50+50+25+25 = 225% makes it 6.5 defence.

Wooooa ! Sorry, my mistake.

 

[sabo]

Believe it or not I've never had a tank or panzer lose to a spearman, BUT I have lost a fully healed, 4 unit cav army to a one hit point rifle man in a city.

I wish I would have saved that one.

 

[Aggie]

...BUT I have lost a fully healed, 4 unit cav army to a one hit point rifle man in a city....

I wish I would have saved that one.

I believe you. I had the same in a Succession Game once.

 

[Shabbaman]

Just today, I lost an elite tank to a one hp rifle in a city... Now that's just very bad luck. Unfortunately for the chinese I had 30 more as backup.

 

[Yaype]

The bonusses are added, not mulitplied right ?
so: 25+50+50+50+25+25 = 225% makes it 6.5 defence.

Are the percentages added all together, then multiplied by the base number? Or does each bons compile one at a time? That is to say, is it 2*(25+50+50+50+25+25), or is it ((((((2*25)*50)*50)*50)*25)*25)?

I realize that the decimal places are not all there, nor is the base 2 accounted for (i.e. 2*1), but you get the idea. Right?

 

[The Omega]

I'm actually working on a scenarion where this is supposed to happen..........it's called "Super Spearmen", coming soon to a forum near you!
Smilies!

It's out!!!!You can now use spearmen to beat modern armor without help from the rng!
And now, something on topic.
Whenever I fight a stack of enemies, I do pretty good with technologically advanced units. Yet when my technologically advanced units attack a single soldier, he seems to be able to kill anything.....

 

[Ovulator]

I never have problems with spearmen. I always have problems with Impi, and this is with EVERYTHING from swordmen up to tanks