Tech. Help

[Scott Spaziani]

I'm in the year 2140 and am learning combustion. What did I do wrong?

 

[Unregister]

Everything it seems

Are you playing on chieftain? cause then you have a HUGE problem. If it's your first game don't feel too bad about it.

Edit: But anyways . There could be many circumstances why its the year 2140 and your researching combustion. You may not know the finer points of the game and you should read the newbie thread. Maybe you went to war to much or not enough. Or you didn't get enough land. Or you didn't trade enough. Or you didn't research techs high enough. Or you didn't build enough cities. Or you...etc...etc...etc...

Don't worry about it, as i said. I'm not sure everyone jumped into the game and kicked butt their first game.

 

[billindenver]

Originally posted by Scott Spaziani
I'm in the year 2140 and am learning combustion. What did I do wrong?

You didn't do anything 'wrong'. On lower levels, the AI is really slow at research, so you have to do it all yourself. I play at Monarch, and the AI researches better there. At higher levels, you have to research yourself and then trade techs A LOT with the AI in order to keep up. I almost always have combustion before 1700AD in my games on Monarch, but it's harder to get there at lower difficulties.

 

[Speaker]

Doesn't the game end in 2050? What's going on here?

 

[DiamondzAndGunz]

You can choose to play past 2050, but you will not get any additional points added to your final score, nor will you be able to "win again."

 

[Speaker]

Right, I know that...but why would you want to?

 

[DiamondzAndGunz]

Don't know. I wouldn't .
Perhaps if you want to get revenge on the AI that beat you
Or let off those last couple of ICBM's

 

[Speaker]

Yeah, I guess that is fun to do from time to time. I usually quit after I launch my ICBMs though. Otherwise my beautiful metropolis' will be hit inbetween turns.

 

[widdowmaker]

WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!

From what i understand i want to win because i WON. Not through a namby pamby score. If i want a conquest win i get one. Wehter or not it is before or after 1050 has no meaning to me. If it is after 2050 and i was goign for space race i WILL NOT QUIT until that dan ship is launched. Then is when i can say i won. NOT BEFORE.

 

[wilbill]

Originally posted by widdowmaker
From what i understand i want to win because i WON. Not through a namby pamby score.... If it is after 2050 and i was goign for space race i WILL NOT QUIT until that dan ship is launched. Then is when i can say i won. NOT BEFORE.

Sorry to break the bad news, widdowmaker, but after you've won through a "namby pamby score" the game won't let you launch a spaceship.

 

[Scott Spaziani]

Originally posted by billindenver

You didn't do anything 'wrong'. On lower levels, the AI is really slow at research, so you have to do it all yourself. I play at Monarch, and the AI researches better there. At higher levels, you have to research yourself and then trade techs A LOT with the AI in order to keep up. I almost always have combustion before 1700AD in my games on Monarch, but it's harder to get there at lower difficulties.

Actualy I've had it sence Christmas 2001 and never really got the hang of it. When ever I played up in till recently I would think Civ 2 stratiges and thouse don't work for Civ 3.

 

[billindenver]

Originally posted by Scott Spaziani


Actualy I've had it sence Christmas 2001 and never really got the hang of it. When ever I played up in till recently I would think Civ 2 stratiges and thouse don't work for Civ 3.

I'm a Civ I & Civ II vet myself, and I know what you mean. I used to be able to score 100,000 in the older versions of Civ, but even though I've played this new version a lot, I still can score really well yet. I'm still learning too!

First off, what level are you playing at, and what patch are you on? The reason is because Civ III research is harder. In Civ I&II, corruption wasn't a huge issue. If you had 100 cities, they'd all be fairly productive under Democracy. In Civ III patch 1.29f, corruption is a MUCH bigger problem, and with earlier patches, it was even worse.

So first, make sure you are playing with version 1.29f.

Next, if you are playing at Chieftain level, the AI researches REALLY slow. That means you really never get a chance to trade techs with them except early in the game. On Monarch difficulty, the AI is almost always even with you, and they research different techs, so you can research Steam Power yourself, and trade it the same turn for Medicine, for example. That means you've researched 2 techs in the time it takes to research 1. If the AI never researches anything new that you can trade for, you have to do it all yourself.

If you are a Civ II vet, I think you could handle Regent or Monarch. You may be handicapping yourself by playing at too low a level.

 

[Renata]

Yeah, but it's not *that* hard to research on chieftain. I played about 10 games there before moving up, and never (even early) had trouble getting to the spaceship before 2050. (My problems were in other areas. ) And I hardly ever traded those first few games, either.

I suspect Scott may be

- not building roads (they need to be built everywhere any citizen is working, for the increased commerce)
- not building marketplaces/banks
- not building any happiness improvemenst (which includes marketplaces) and thus having far too many entertainers and/or too high a lux slider setting
- not switching out of despotism into a more efficient government (for research, democracy is usuall best by a little with republic second)
- not ever moving the science slider up from whatever the default setting is (50%?)

Otherwise I just can't comprehend still researching industrial age techs 100 turns after the end of the game.

Renata

 

[billindenver]

Originally posted by Renata
Yeah, but it's not *that* hard to research on chieftain. I played about 10 games there before moving up, and never (even early) had trouble getting to the spaceship before 2050. (My problems were in other areas. ) And I hardly ever traded those first few games, either.

I suspect Scott may be

- not building roads (they need to be built everywhere any citizen is working, for the increased commerce)
- not building marketplaces/banks
- not building any happiness improvemenst (which includes marketplaces) and thus having far too many entertainers and/or too high a lux slider setting
- not switching out of despotism into a more efficient government (for research, democracy is usuall best by a little with republic second)
- not ever moving the science slider up from whatever the default setting is (50%?)

Otherwise I just can't comprehend still researching industrial age techs 100 turns after the end of the game.

Renata

Well, it's been a long time since I've played a Chieftain game, so I can't remember. But the basic strategy of civ hasn't changed from Civ I to Civ III, expand, improve your cities, build markets, libraries, banks, universities, wonders, increase sci spending. So if he was successful on Civ II, those things shouldn't be an issue. That's why I was trying to think of the main differences between them that might account for his bad research in Civ III.

Without more input from him, or a pic or savegame, I was just throwing out ideas.

In previous Civ versions, corruption wasn't that big a deal. If you conquered 1/2 the world, you got a lot of research coming from the cities you captured. In Civ III, only your main cities give you much in the way of research. So I guess if you were just conquering and not taking care of your basic terrain in Civ II, you could still research kind of effectively. That could be part of the problem for sure.

 

[billindenver]

Originally posted by Renata
Yeah, but it's not *that* hard to research on chieftain. I played about 10 games there before moving up, and never (even early) had trouble getting to the spaceship before 2050. (My problems were in other areas. ) And I hardly ever traded those first few games, either.

I suspect Scott may be

- not building roads (they need to be built everywhere any citizen is working, for the increased commerce)
- not building marketplaces/banks
- not building any happiness improvemenst (which includes marketplaces) and thus having far too many entertainers and/or too high a lux slider setting
- not switching out of despotism into a more efficient government (for research, democracy is usuall best by a little with republic second)
- not ever moving the science slider up from whatever the default setting is (50%?)

Otherwise I just can't comprehend still researching industrial age techs 100 turns after the end of the game.

Renata

You suspected correctly. I just saw another thread of his about corruption and waste help, and it appears he never really mastered Civ II. His capital was producing 2 shields, e.g. It definitely was not an issue with playing level.

 

[Scott Spaziani]

Originally posted by billindenver

You suspected correctly. I just saw another thread of his about corruption and waste help, and it appears he never really mastered Civ II. His capital was producing 2 shields, e.g. It definitely was not an issue with playing level.

I was like eight when I started playing Civ 2! I guess it just never really clicked.