Techs after Alphabet

[DaveShack]

Once we complete Alphabet, the tech picture will get very complex. Due to potential trades, we need to start planning in advance. It might even be a good idea to use if - then planning, like "if we get priesthood, then start CoL.

What techs do you think should be a priority? Which ones should be low priority? List of 1st-3rd tier techs and values will have to wait till later tomorrow, unless some kind soul helps us out by posting them. My game machine is in use for pitboss and pbem games, and then I plan to sleep.

 

[fed1943]

IMO, defense is our most urgent concern. So,

Archery+HBR ( 85+357 beakers) for archers and keshiks, as we have horses.

Then, IW ( 286 beakers) for axes, swords and spears, if/when we get iron.

The ways to masonry (71+114 beakers) and to priesthood also look

interesting but workers seem very busy to connect stone now and just FH

could think about Oracle.

So, priority for said archery+HBR and IW. And let's hope for wise and lucky

tech trades.

Best regards,

 

[dutchfire]

I have good hopes that we can trade for these techs within a few turns:

Archery (60)
Fishing (40)
Sailing (100)
Mysticism (50)
Meditation (80)
Masonry (80)

To trade, we will have Alphabet (300) and Writing (120). We should try to get Mysticism and Fishing on the first of trading, if possible by trading away writing.

Would it be a bad idea to stop the TC when we finish Alphabet? That would give us a 7-turn TC, and then time to discuss all the trading possibilities.

 

[NKVD]

i'd say we have to counter france's axeman the quickest way possible. so build Chariots or go for Iron working

 

[fed1943]

To answer Dutchfire: if we are lucky we can get archery,fishing, mysticism and

masonry for writing in the first trading turn (and just doing "bad" trades).

About to stop the chat with research of Alphabet...can or not DP do the best

possible trades? I believe he does, so I do not ask to stop.

Best regards,

 

[grant2004]

I would agree with a stop after alphabet, the tech trades we make now will be very important and will influence our development very strongly, we need to make the correct choices.

I'm somewhat concerned about the French axemen, however it still seems unlikely that they would attack with so much open land for them to settle. I believe getting Archery through trades would give us sufficient military tech to feel safe enough. We can still continue for an all important religion.

 

[ordinaryguy]

i'd say we have to counter france's axeman the quickest way possible. so build Chariots or go for Iron working

Can't we use Keshiks to counter axemen for the time being?

 

[NKVD]

well where are they?

 

[ordinaryguy]

well where are they?

Ermmm...

When we get them......

 

[DaveShack]

We're a couple of techs short of Keshiks, which I think is the point. If we're worried about military, we need to get archery and horseback riding soon.

 

[Bertie]

At one time our strategy was to research Alphabet and then use it to trade for the religious techs; and then be the first to research COL so we’d gain Confucianism. (There was also talk of building the Oracle, and using that to nab Civil Service.) Assuming researching COL first is still our goal – and assuming we’ll be able to trade for the religious techs once we research Alphabet – then I think we should continue on with this plan. (I don’t believe we ever voted on this, BTW; it was discussed in a couple of threads, and my impression is that a good number of citizens agreed with the strategy.)

If we have any doubt that we’ll be able to reach COL first, I’d research/trade for the military techs – Iron Working, Archery, and Horseback Riding – so we can release our inner Mongols.

 

[DaveShack]

I think we're still safe enough that we can try for CoL before going military. Plus CoL itself is good trade material once we get it.

 

[fed1943]

I believe we shall have some turn of peace, but not many.

So, I suggest go on with alphabet, make the best tech trades we can, and

after think again about our path.

Best regards,

 

[grant2004]

I agree that we're still safe enough to go for code of laws, the AIs know they can expand much more easily by building settlers than by fighting us, we can be militarily superior at any time, but there's only one chance to found religions.

 

[ordinaryguy]

I agree that we're still safe enough to go for code of laws, the AIs know they can expand much more easily by building settlers than by fighting us, we can be militarily superior at any time, but there's only one chance to found religions.

And after COL trade for Achery and HBR.

 

[grant2004]

Well we won't get any of the religion techs to help us pursue CoL, but looking at the tech tree all of the techs prior to it have short research times now, we might still be able to use the oracle for CoL, I wouldn't want to wait for civil service with it, simply because it's getting a bit late, and the Oracle might be built elsewhere if we delay it.

Therefore I suggest Mysticism, Mediation, Priesthood, other tech with Oracle being used for CoL

 

[ordinaryguy]

We can trade for archery and get ourselves better defense, and fishing for more commerce. Then beeline for HBR and go whack some AI.

After HBR, then we could go for Oracle and COL. If we want to attack, we have to do so as soon as possible before they get spearmen against our Keshiks.

 

[dutchfire]

By the way, I think that Iron Working is cheaper than HBR, so it might be better to chose that.

 

[fed1943]

As we can get archery by trading and already have horses connected, HBR for

keshiks looks the safest bet.

Best regards,

 

[Bertie]

Before we can decide which tech to pursue we need to determine our goals.

Is our priority still researching COL first to found Confucianism? If so, we need to go Mysticism -> Meditation -> Priesthood -> COL (we could also try the Currency route to COL but that would take forever). Although it’s not a sure bet that we’ll reach COL before another Civ I think it’s likely. I don’t see France, Rome, or Germany out-researching us to COL; however, we don’t know how advanced other Civs may be. I suggest we don’t even bother with the Oracle anymore because I suspect we can research COL before we could build the Oracle (particularly if we emphasize science in our second city).

The reason we’ve been targeting COL is because we want a religion. The other way to get one is, of course, to conquer one. Rome has Buddhism so that would be our target. If we decide this is our goal we need to crank up our military. I’d research Iron Working (it’s urgent we discover if we have iron either within our borders or nearby where we can settle), and then Horseback Riding (we'll get Archery through trade; Horseback Riding, too, if it’s available). With those techs discovered we can build an army. However, do we actually want to target Rome as our first target? Although it doesn’t currently know Iron Working, surely by the time we’re ready to attack, it will. We’ll face Praetorians. We can take on Praetorians with Cats, but it will be tough; I’d prefer to wait for Macemen, and we need COL to get to Civil Service, the requirement for Maceman (along with Metallurgy.

One way or another we'll need to research COL, so I vote to do that first. However, we can expect to be facing Barb archers and axes soon. We should trade for Archery so we can build a defense while we race towards COL.