Texas Civilization

[mrtn]

Originally posted by Procifica


...Mrtn: Many states give their children a quality education. I wouldn't single out one state for this. Each state has their own uniqueness, and its hard to say that one state stands out more than any other one. I lived in Ohio most of my life, and I can tell you many things that make Ohio different from other states.

I lived in Killeen, Texas and Brady, Texas. Killeen is about 60 miles north of Austin (population 88,000, Fort Hood is right next to it), and Brady is very close to the EXACT geographical center of Texas, about 100 miles south-southeast of Abilene and 85 miles east of San Angelo.

There are plenty of people here in Washington, as well as in Ohio and other states I've been to that "look" like cowboys. It is certainly a stereotype for Texas in my opinion.

What are you talking about? Education? I have only written things about civ traits, SMAC, and this "Texas is the only American state that was at one time it's own country. And that... says it all."
You must have confused me with someone else. Procifica, I like you; regardless of if you've lived in Ohio or not.

 

[Procifica]

Mrtn: Sorry, I posted the wrong name when I was scanning posts. I've corrected my mistake.

 

[jamesjkirk]

O-hi-o, hi-o
round on the ends
hi in the middle

 

[Procifica]

Originally posted by jamesjkirk
O-hi-o, hi-o
round on the ends
hi in the middle

LOL yes, a very common joke about my native state. Its supposed to be though, "Hi in the middle, and round on both ends, O-Hi-O". I'm very proud of my state though, and especially of my city. How many cities can say they are host to 3 major sporting events, are known as the capital of the world for 2 different products, and have a national hall of fame? Does anyone know what city this is?

I wouldn't mind seeing a civ for my state, but I know it won't happen. 11.4 million people isn't enough to voice the demand in a country of 280+ million.

 

[miked]

Originally posted by Procifica


LOL yes, a very common joke about my native state. Its supposed to be though, "Hi in the middle, and round on both ends, O-Hi-O". I'm very proud of my state though, and especially of my city. How many cities can say they are host to 3 major sporting events, are known as the capital of the world for 2 different products, and have a national hall of fame? Does anyone know what city this is?

I wouldn't mind seeing a civ for my state, but I know it won't happen. 11.4 million people isn't enough to voice the demand in a country of 280+ million.

So what does Cleveland lead the world in?? polka music albums and what else?

 

[jamesjkirk]

It has the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for, uh....some reason, I'm sure. And the Drew Carey show? I've only been through Ohio, and that was when I was an infant, so I can't really say much about it from experience.

And what is it the capital of?

 

[The Yankee]

I'm all for having the Alamo as a wonder. Put that in and I'll be sure to have it. It's a soft spot for me because one of my long lost ancestors fought and died there and just knowing that story told me never to surrender, no matter how bad it got.

As for leaders...I'd say leave the current Bush out of it. Something tells me he's trying so hard to be a "typical Texan" that he winds up looking a little odd to a lot of people worldwide. Bring in LBJ and that's good.

Also, why not make the civ Scientific. Now, before you laugh...remember that a lot of NASA was/is based in Texas (Houston) and it did have the first stadium with AstroTurf (curse AstroTurf!), but it still was a big deal in fields & stadiums. They obviously needed a lot of technology to get the oil out of there and transport it.

I think it should also be Militaristic. This doesn't necessarily mean it's aggressive....but it does host a large part of the nation's military facilities and command structures.

Next, let's see a New York City civ! How you doin'?

 

[miked]

maybe the Dixie Chicks could be a leader? or perhaps some advisors?

 

[Crist2000]

default advance at start : refining
leader head: G.Bush.

 

[bewareofgnomes]

AHHHHHHHHH kill the dixie chicks!!!!!

 

[Bobby Lee]

Originally posted by Procifica


Your figures here are off...this is misleading because most of the major military bases (such as Fort Hood, which is the largest in the US, and Fort Bliss, which is one of the largest) are located in Texas.

Ok ok...I'll admit it...the numbers were off the top of my head and may not be right on the money but the pont is made and the numbers not far off though i will admit they were last years numbers so there may be a change (though not much of one if i had to guess). I dont understand how this is misleading...what are u talking about what realation to anything does it have that there is major military infrastructure here....jsut cause ppls live here doesn't mean that they are Texans (at least they aren't seen as such in most REAL Texan's eyes) I was talkin bout the native born ones here.

 

[Bobby Lee]

Originally posted by Procifica


Texas did have enough voters to vote itself into the nation, that wasn't a problem. By 1860, its population was over 600,000, and only 60,000 were needed to become a state. The majority of Texans wished to eventually become a part of the US, but some were skeptical about it because they did not want a war with Mexico (which happened anyways).

What most people don't know about Texas though, is at ANY time, it is allowed to split itself into anywhere from 3 to 5 different states. This was a part of the deal made when Texas was annexed into the Union, and when it later gave up its territory north and west of the current panhandle.

on the 1st point here u misunderstand me...I'm not sayin that Texas did not have enough ppls to get into bein a state I am saying that out of those ppls not enough had actually voted when it came to a vote on whether or not to become a state. i doubt im phrasing all this right...and I will admit that the last ppls to voice this fact were both put in jail and the leader of the movement shot for and i quote "inciteing rebellion" course they were takeing all of the right legal processes but i suppose I have run my mouth enough as is.

on the second part ...yep ur right.

 

[Bobby Lee]

Originally posted by bewareofgnomes
AHHHHHHHHH kill the dixie chicks!!!!!

lol...i must be one of those ppls u hate then cause i support them in what they said...just not where they said it.

 

[xghost]

Originally posted by DJ_Izumi
I think it's funny, because I once witness an IRC conversation, where after a 30min debate, Texas could take on all 49 States, Isreal, China, and Canada all at the same time, and win.

Just that whole... "Texas is the bomb!" And stuff. I dunno, I find it sorta cheesy and stuff. Really, many of the Civs in Civ3 shouldn't be Civs, since many civs are actually spawned from uprisings in other civs. Like how America is nothing but colonies that rose agianst the Europian nations that spawned them.

Well in that light technically speaking no Civ should be in the game, 'cause what I know, all nations rose from some African tribes in the Saharrah (is it nice in the Saharrah? My dad wants to take the family there for a vacation) so no one can claim they are part of a truly original civ. Wait...this means...I'm BLACK!!!

 

[barron of ideas]

Someone rescued this thread from deep obsurity, where it probably belongs, but, as I am guilt of starting it, let me add my two cents.

I was born in Cleveland, Ohio. Its not my fault, my mom was there visiting in her inlaws at the time. So I guess it is his fault, but Cleveland, and particularly Cleveland Heights where he grew up, was a much different city then.

What I usually tell people that distinguishes Cleveland from other midwest Cities, for example from Toledo, also in Ohio, is the Cuyahoga river, which is, as far as I know, the only river that ever caught on fire.

Toledo has the minor league Toledo Mudhens baseball team, as opposed to the Cleveland Indians, which is now not politically correct, but no-one objected when they were winning. I acutally saw Bob Feller pitch I think this was about 1954 when he was at the tail end of a distinguished career. Cleveland was also distinguished for a now abandoned amusement park called Euclid beach. This may be responsible for the phrase, I love my wife but Oh, Euclid. Or not. Another distinguishing feature of Clevland is Lake Erie. One of the Great Lakes, but not one of the greatest of the Great Lakes.

I had a companion thread to this one that discussed other states as cultures, but did not attampt to make one for Ohio. There is some culture in Clevland, they have a high ranked symphony, an art museum, theater square, and other hightbrow attractions most citizens would not enter on a bet.

They also have professional football and basket ball teams. While the baseball team is not currently great but with a long partly glorious history, the other sports teams are not that good.

If you want to live in the medwest, I guess you could do worse than Ohio. You might have to root for Ohio State football teams, three yards and a cloud of blood.

The lady from Boston was told by a young lady she was introduced to that the young lady was from Iowa. "My dear, hear in Boston we pronounce that Ohio."

 

[Wyrmshadow]

I stayed away from this one thread too long. I will have to dissagree with having Sam Houston State as the main university. If anything it would have to be the University of Texas at Austin. All of my Aggie prejudices asside it is the most "popular" college in the state, although mine is definately the more technical. As for the military academy you MUST rename it as Texas A&M. We ARE the military college of Texas. Only the 3 service academies, Virginia Tech, VMI, Norwich and the Citadel can claim the same status as us.

As for those of you that troll this thread live somewhere else besides the USA, and of cource have no clue what is being said here, let me try to explain. The rest of the country hates the Great State of Texas. For lack of a better word they are jealous of all the things we brag about. Texas is big, takes 12 hours to drive from one end to the other. We like everything big here. Big ranches, big steaks, big houses and big hearts. We are the friendliest state in the nation and Texas A&M is the friendliest college in the state. Hello has no meaning to us, we use "Howdy". 2 years ago when I went for my basic training at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, all that the other cadets from around the country could do was moan and whine about how much they hated the place, when the rest of us Texans couldn't be happier. Not everyone is a cowboy but everyone is proud to be a Texan. (Yes I own a Stetson hat, birthday gift from my girlfriend) I don't know if you should call the civ militaristic, but those of us that live in the country sure do like our guns, errr I mean freedoms. As an example, my girlfriend's high school graduation gift was a shotgun, she goes deer hunting with her 7 year old cousin's .22 rifle, our Rifle Team coach has 20,000+ rounds of ammo at his house, more in his gun trailer, and I narrowly missed out on buying an AR-15 from a senior last year but coach beat me to it. So I guess you COULD call us militaristic.

So I would just like to toss my hat in the ring on the Texas debate and welcome any questions.

 

[bewareofgnomes]

WHOOP!!! its good to know i have some fellow aggies here. i do agree with the freedom (gun) thing. I got my first .22 when i wqs 7 years old! Of course, i was the last one in my class to get a gun because my dad is from colorado. oh and i will take the credit for reviving this thread. i must say, i am really suprised by th number of posts. when i "reserected" it, there were like 5 posts. now, there are three pages. i think someone with alot of time (me) and someone who knows there way around the editor (not me) needs to make a texas civ for us texans.

 

[Wyrmshadow]

Bewareofgnomes, really now? What class? Non-Reg or CT?

 

[barron of ideas]

Howdy.

I have problems with that greeting, I want to say Howdie Doodie.

What are you driving that you can get from one end of Texas to the other in 12 hours? An F16? If you go from Lousiana to New Mexico, and I recomend you go the other way, its about 3 days. Maybe you were going from Oklahoma to the Gulf.

I don't want to get into Aggie Jokes, they are mostly like "little moron" jokes, why did he thow the butter out the window, he wanted to see a butterfly. But the one I remember best is the Aggie Library had to close because someone stole their book.

Texas has lots of culture, they bought it at that big Dallas Department Store. The one where you can get his and her submarines for Christmas.

I think the saying goes, Texas is heaven for men and dogs and hell for women and horses. However, I believe it was Mark Twain who said, If I owned Hell and Texas, I would live in Hell and rent out Texas.

 

[xghost]

Mark Twain was a very smart man. (Just playing people!)

PS (mrtn, I think I'm the person who starting talking about Texas and inferior education. Sorry people, hope you can forgive me. I just was really grumpy on saturday from a late night at the movies. Pleez forgive me, it's been weighing on my mind for a long time. Seriously. )