The Age of Númenor

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[Lord Malbeth]

Sorry for getting this thread stuck in a hole. Is there anything I can do to improve this map?

 

[timerover51]

Good looking map LM.
I'd echo the thought about varied terrain, even if it's not completely faithful to reality (although we are talking about a fantasy place, so what the hey).

But I don't think its too big. I like big maps. I've played on 256x256. I will say that they do tend to slow down though once all the civs have developed cities. The bigger the map, the more the cities. The more the cities, the slower the game play.

One last thing, I noticed that there's some landmark terrain and there's some pre-placed irrigation and starting locations. What's the purpose? Also, the map contains modern resources, rubber, saltpeter, etc.

With respect to modern resources, remember that Middle Earth was Tolkien's concept of how the earlier Earth, the lands to the Northwest, east of the sea, should have looked like. Also, saltpeter was known in ancient times and was used for a variety of things, amoung them fertilizer, meat preservation, and alchemists. All it takes to produce saltpeter is a manure pile that is reasonably dry and time. Natural occurances of saltpeter exist, but all it really takes to have saltpeter is a good number of domestic animals, large numbers of sea birds (the guano islands off of Peru and Chile), or caves containing large numbers of bats. As for rubber, that is not new either, and as Tolkien happily included potatoes in his food lists, I have no problem with the New World substance of rubber to be included.

 

[timerover51]

Lord Malbeth, have you ever seen the Atlas of Middle Earth, 2nd. edition by Karen Fonstad. I will be comparing your map to that atlas, and see if there are any major differences. If there are, I will post them here for your information. As Mrs. Fonstad worked with Christopher Tolkien on the atlas, it is probably the best reflection of what Middle Earth should look like. Also, I did some work for Ice Crown Enterprises when they had the Middle Earth miniature roleplaying game license, and I have a large number of maps from them as well, again made with the assistance of Christopher.
Would you be interested in any information off of them? I am somewhat of a Tolkien scholar, having his artwork books as well. Have you seen them, by the way?

 

[Lord Malbeth]

The Atlas of Middle Earth, 2nd Edition is one of my favorite books.

Did you get to meet Chirtopher Tolkein? That's pretty cool.

Thanks for the encouragement and support. I really appreciate it.

 

[Cuatemoc]

Tolkien will be happy with such admiration of his job (if he were alive). I like it

 

[Lord Malbeth]

Thanks, I feel happy.

 

[Lord Malbeth]

Check the first post. Brand new map and updated old one.

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

Really great work Lord Malbeth !

That's right. It's also worth noting (for those that have only seen the movies) that the men of Gondor (and Arnor... but we won't get into that) came from Númenor. In brief, the land of Númenor became corrupt and "evil," which caused it to be "struck down" (sunk, like Atlantis) by the LotR equivalent of an omni-potent God. The respective peoples of Gondor and Arnor were called the "faithful"; supposedly the few "un-corrupt" inhabitants left in Númenor. They were allowed to escape the downfall of Númenor and thus found their repsective kingdoms (Gondor and Arnor) in Middle-earth.

If memory serves (probably not) the reason the Numenorians were corrupted was because they imprisoned Sauron, and he started to do his little brainwashing deal. I think is how it happened. I haven't gone into anything LOTR in about 3 years, so I'm very rusty.

 

[Lord Malbeth]

Yup, that's what happened.

 

[polyphemus]

Lord Malbeth, what books would you suggest I read to understand the pre LOTR age? Ive always been interested in this stuff, but I never knew what books to check out.

 

[polyphemus]

The Atlas of Middle Earth, 2nd Edition is one of my favorite books.

Did you get to meet Chirtopher Tolkein? That's pretty cool.

Thanks for the encouragement and support. I really appreciate it.

My Philosophy teacher got to meet JRR Tolkein himself!!!

 

[Lord Malbeth]

Lord Malbeth, what books would you suggest I read to understand the pre LOTR age? Ive always been interested in this stuff, but I never knew what books to check out.

OK, for starters I suggest you read the appendixes at the back of The Return of the King, then try and tackle The Silmarillion. Maybe then read the Atlas of Arda. It helps explain the beginning really good. (In fact, I read that before I read the Silmarillion. )

My Philosophy teacher got to meat JRR Tolkein himself!!!

Now that's cool.

 

[Mithadan]

OK, for starters I suggest you read the appendixes at the back of The Return of the King, then try and tackle The Silmarillion. Maybe then read the Atlas of Arda. It helps explain the beginning really good. (In fact, I read that before I read the Silmarillion. )

Good idea to start with the Appendices, but the Silmarillion can be a bit of a chore, though. If you're not up to it, I highly recommend the Unfinished Tales. Lots of nice little "short stories" in there, if you will, that give a really nice flavour to the time (Narn I Hin Hurin being one of my favorites; Aldarion and Erendis is really nice too).

 

[Lord Malbeth]

Good idea to start with the Appendices, but the Silmarillion can be a bit of a chore, though. If you're not up to it, I highly recommend the Unfinished Tales. Lots of nice little "short stories" in there, if you will, that give a really nice flavour to the time (Narn I Hin Hurin being one of my favorites; Aldarion and Erendis is really nice too).

That's also a good one.

 

[polyphemus]

Thanks guys, ill check these out!

 

[Lord Malbeth]

If you want something else on top of that you could read the Lost Tales, but those are really hard to get into. They're more of a backstory of how Tolkien made the books...

 

[Mithadan]

Agreed, the Lost Tales (and most anything in the "History of Middle Earth" series) is for seriously demented scholars.

 

[Lord Malbeth]

demented scholars

Sounds about Right...