The End of the World

It would happen, But that is far into the future when the Sun runs out of Fissionable fuel and starts expanding. The Expanding action of the sun will swallow most of the inner-planets. By then we have already have established colonies across the galaxy.
 
The only one of those scenerios that could possibly happen in my lifetime is the nuclear war (and it is highly unlikely we'll fire a nuke at China, who btw is sporting a Japanese flag, for no reason whatsoever). All in all, I think we're pretty safe for another 1000 years, at least.

One thing I am almost completely certain of is that the human race will not outlive the expansion and death of Sol (our star/sun). There is no other place to go other than Mars, Venus, and the several moons with ample water (Europa, Jupiter comes to mind). The nearest star to our solar system is Proxima Centauri. It is 4.3 lightyears away, which means, traveling at the speed of light it would still take 4.3 years to get there. Light travels at 186,282 miles per second. Matter cannot travel at the speed of light, because as matter travels faster it gets heavier. So, unless you can figure out a way to turn matter into pure light energy, transport it for more than four years to Prox-Cent and revert it back to its former state (no way in hell), then we must assume travel will take place at a fraction of that 186,282 miles per second. Orbiting space craft travel at approximately 17,000 miles per hour. Let us further assume you use Earth's gravity to slingshot a space craft carrying several thousand or tens of thousands of people with supplies and equipment toward the Prox-Cent. I'm gonna go ridiculous, here, and give us 50,000 miles per hour (no way in hell) or more than 16 miles per second. 16 mps Vs. 186,282 mps? That is appx. 0.0086%. It will take 11627 times longer to get to Prox-Cent. That is more than 46,000 years. Assume that we can make even 1/10th the speed of light (which maybe you can get slingshotting around the Sun) So we go through all of this, travel for fourty years, get to Prox-Cent.......are we gonna find a decent planet to live on?! Are they all gas giants? Are they hotter than hell, like Mercury? What is the possibility of finding another Earth? Think about it. We can only hope for a Mars-like planet. If there is no suitable planet, turn back?! That is double the supplies and fuel needed...if not, die? There are other star systems near that. So you move on further away from Earth. Another 1 - 4 more light years or 10 - 40 years. Still there is a high chance there will be no suitable planet to settle. But hell, getting there is the real challenge. I just don't see it happening.
 
HAHA! God, that was great!
 
Originally posted by Enemy Ace
The only one of those scenerios that could possibly happen in my lifetime is the nuclear war (and it is highly unlikely we'll fire a nuke at China, who btw is sporting a Japanese flag, for no reason whatsoever). All in all, I think we're pretty safe for another 1000 years, at least.

One thing I am almost completely certain of is that the human race will not outlive the expansion and death of Sol (our star/sun). There is no other place to go other than Mars, Venus, and the several moons with ample water (Europa, Jupiter comes to mind). The nearest star to our solar system is Proxima Centauri. It is 4.3 lightyears away, which means, traveling at the speed of light it would still take 4.3 years to get there. Light travels at 186,282 miles per second. Matter cannot travel at the speed of light, because as matter travels faster it gets heavier. So, unless you can figure out a way to turn matter into pure light energy, transport it for more than four years to Prox-Cent and revert it back to its former state (no way in hell), then we must assume travel will take place at a fraction of that 186,282 miles per second. Orbiting space craft travel at approximately 17,000 miles per hour. Let us further assume you use Earth's gravity to slingshot a space craft carrying several thousand or tens of thousands of people with supplies and equipment toward the Prox-Cent. I'm gonna go ridiculous, here, and give us 50,000 miles per hour (no way in hell) or more than 16 miles per second. 16 mps Vs. 186,282 mps? That is appx. 0.0086%. It will take 11627 times longer to get to Prox-Cent. That is more than 46,000 years. Assume that we can make even 1/10th the speed of light (which maybe you can get slingshotting around the Sun) So we go through all of this, travel for fourty years, get to Prox-Cent.......are we gonna find a decent planet to live on?! Are they all gas giants? Are they hotter than hell, like Mercury? What is the possibility of finding another Earth? Think about it. We can only hope for a Mars-like planet. If there is no suitable planet, turn back?! That is double the supplies and fuel needed...if not, die? There are other star systems near that. So you move on further away from Earth. Another 1 - 4 more light years or 10 - 40 years. Still there is a high chance there will be no suitable planet to settle. But hell, getting there is the real challenge. I just don't see it happening.
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You are grossly underestimating human inventiveness. Say you lived only 1000/500 years ago. Would you be even close to guessing what the World today would be? Would you even be able to understand it? Now take that inaccuracy and multiply it 1 million times ;)


The future is more misterious than we can ponder. And in our attempt to understand it we only learn that we know nothing.
 
Originally posted by CivGeneral
It would happen, But that is far into the future when the Sun runs out of Fissionable fuel and starts expanding. The Expanding action of the sun will swallow most of the inner-planets. By then we have already have established colonies across the galaxy.
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ARGHHHH it's FUSION not fission get it right! :rant:


Sorry, but that misuse is one of my biggest pet-peeves

Funny comic though!
 
Originally posted by Enemy Ace
The only one of those scenerios that could possibly happen in my lifetime is the nuclear war (and it is highly unlikely we'll fire a nuke at China, who btw is sporting a Japanese flag, for no reason whatsoever). All in all, I think we're pretty safe for another 1000 years, at least.

One thing I am almost completely certain of is that the human race will not outlive the expansion and death of Sol (our star/sun). There is no other place to go other than Mars, Venus, and the several moons with ample water (Europa, Jupiter comes to mind). The nearest star to our solar system is Proxima Centauri. It is 4.3 lightyears away, which means, traveling at the speed of light it would still take 4.3 years to get there. Light travels at 186,282 miles per second. Matter cannot travel at the speed of light, because as matter travels faster it gets heavier. So, unless you can figure out a way to turn matter into pure light energy, transport it for more than four years to Prox-Cent and revert it back to its former state (no way in hell), then we must assume travel will take place at a fraction of that 186,282 miles per second. Orbiting space craft travel at approximately 17,000 miles per hour. Let us further assume you use Earth's gravity to slingshot a space craft carrying several thousand or tens of thousands of people with supplies and equipment toward the Prox-Cent. I'm gonna go ridiculous, here, and give us 50,000 miles per hour (no way in hell) or more than 16 miles per second. 16 mps Vs. 186,282 mps? That is appx. 0.0086%. It will take 11627 times longer to get to Prox-Cent. That is more than 46,000 years. Assume that we can make even 1/10th the speed of light (which maybe you can get slingshotting around the Sun) So we go through all of this, travel for fourty years, get to Prox-Cent.......are we gonna find a decent planet to live on?! Are they all gas giants? Are they hotter than hell, like Mercury? What is the possibility of finding another Earth? Think about it. We can only hope for a Mars-like planet. If there is no suitable planet, turn back?! That is double the supplies and fuel needed...if not, die? There are other star systems near that. So you move on further away from Earth. Another 1 - 4 more light years or 10 - 40 years. Still there is a high chance there will be no suitable planet to settle. But hell, getting there is the real challenge. I just don't see it happening.
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At the current rate of information flow, research, and development, our knowledge is supposed to double every four years. You seem to not acknowledge the fact that coupling our minds that have led us across eons of development with our unfailing Manifest Destiny attitude, you shall create a powerful interstellar force. For those who don't think we will take our Manifest Destiny attitude with us to the stars, that is ignorant. Humanity is a mature race, and the barriers of this solar system will not cradle us forever.

Cool...Did I just make an insightful statement?...Hmm...That may go into my sig.:D
 
I do believe I overestimated in my projections.

Also, there is a limit to advancement. There will be a point where nothing more can be made from the resources we have.

Everything has a limit, nothing is infinite, in my opinion.
 
500 or 1000 years ago...nothing has really changed since that time. I find the advancements to be less grand than most think. They are not advancing nearly as fast as needed to outrun disaster.

Somewhere around 100,000 b.c our average ancestors could run at a maximum speed of 15 mph. In July of 1969, it took the Apollo mission 4 days to get to the Moon. The Moon is 240,000 miles away (appx). That is 2,500 mph. Today objects orbit Earth at 17,000 mph (appx). So, from 15 mph to 17,000 mph in appx 100,000 years.

1,000,000 years - 170,000 mph
10,000,000 years - 1,700,000 mph
100,000,000 years - 17,000,000 mph
1,000,000,000 years - 170,000,000 mph or (47,222 mps OR 25% the speed of light)

Now I am not giving you the "our knowledge is supposed to double every four years" idea. That is assuming a super virus doesn't whipe out a large portion of the population like Influenza did during WWI (25% dead) or the Black Death (33% dead). That is assuming the super volcano brewing under Yellowstone Nat'l Park doesn't go off in the next few thousand years and whipe out 75% or more of the human race (destroying North America). That is assuming the same kind of volcano does not erupt elsewhere. That is assuming a solar flare doesnt burn Earth to a crisp anytime soon. That is assuming a nuclear war or other type of global annihilation doesnt kill a large percentage of our population. That is assuming we dont consume all of our natural resources prior to our advancement to the point of interplanetary and intersystem travel. That is assuming there is no God and that he doesnt want to keep us here.

That is assuming so many many things. Nobody knows, but my best guess is "no way in hell". We're not bright enough to end all war and unite the globe. I just don't see it folks.
 
Originally posted by Enemy Ace
I do believe I overestimated in my projections.

Also, there is a limit to advancement. There will be a point where nothing more can be made from the resources we have.

Everything has a limit, nothing is infinite, in my opinion.
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At least I'll give you this and tell you that even I don't think humans will ever truly grow to build a galactic civilisation. But I can't say this about a subsequent intelligent entity to inhabit the Solar system.

My personal philosophy:
There is a limit of advancement of "something", as a person, culture, empire, species. What has no limit is the advancement of knowledge, wether it's pursued by individual X or species Y. In a word, knowledge will advance no matter what, life will spread inevitably.


Colonisation of space is very possible, despite the huge distances involved. Of course, with the attention span of humans it can get a problem. But, if you set your goal to reach Proxima Centauri in say 1000 years, and from there on, launch another spaceship every 1000 years, and out of the each new colonies do the same, it will take only a few millions of years before the galaxy is colonised. And 1 million years in universal terms is still a very short time.
 
We will agree to disagree then.
 
:lol:

there, I did it - acknowledged it as funny, unlike the rest of you, who took it seriously :p
 
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