The enemy of my enemy...

[Xanikk999]

Ummm Ok?

Are you honestly using John Stuart as a reference? His news show is not really NEWS! Its a comedy show.

 

[mrt144]

are you trolling or did you read only the first sentence? its also jon stewert who is the comedian not john stuart. you arent even trying to make a point are you?

you can add yourself to your sig under senator stevens for this

 

[Xanikk999]

Oh nevermind i think i didnt read the full name.

 

[Xanikk999]

Ok instead of just quoting that long passage, can you summarize what your view is with that passage? I dont quite understand what you said when i quoted you last and it doesnt coinside with the passage.

Such as when you said our current administration views it as winner takes all.

I dont see anything like that in the passage.

 

[mrt144]

well the adminstration views it as winner takes all comes somewhat from the people that have been in the administration and their belief in American being at the mantle of leadership in the world but with a neo conservative approach to obtaining it. the group PNAC, people for a new american century are the kind of folks that pushed for the iraq war as early as 1998. rumsfeld, wolfiwitz, etc.

I agree that the in allying with some islamic countries to fight communism we didnt properly evaluate islamic nationalism as a force to worry about later on. we thought that the enemy of our enemy would be our friend, all the time, without an end to the mutual benefit. I think of the taliban in afghanistan vs. the soviets. we supported the taliban against our enemy, the soviets, because they were the enemy of the soviets. years later now they supported and harbored al queda. WTH happened? obviously they were not our friends, in the lay person's terminology.

 

[Wodan]

i would like examples of where eomeimf has actually worked and not bitten us in the ass. explain where reality needs to be shown.

France. Revolutionary War.

Wodan

 

[mrt144]

the revolutionary war has as much to do with our current political landscape as the war of 1812 in terms of foreign political goodwill. you can definitely see that nothing lasts forever.

 

[anima36]

the US government does have a winner takes all attitude due to influences from groups such as PNAC. the only countries they are openly friendly to are britain who they view as a way to have 2 votes on the UN security council, and isreal due to a large number of strong christians, possibly the word fundamnetal would apply here. apart from that they see everyone as the enemy and looking around the world certainly not every war involves america so this priciple is clearly bs.

 

[Thedrin]

What a shame. The topic is actually interesting.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend has strongly influenced foreign policies forever. A great example being Catholic France aiding Prodestant German states and the Islamic Ottomann empire against the very powerful Austrian empire in the 16th century.

While I disagree with being able to tell another civ that you don't like their enemy, the idea could be allowed to influence the foreign policies of AI civs in other, more subtle ways. For instance, by expanding on the idea of the 'our mutual military struggle ...' relationship modifier. If you're at war with a civ, all civs who dislike that civ would look more favourably upon you. Builders could also benefit by sending aid (gold, units) to civs involved in a war.

But it's unbalanced. Problem is that this policy gives warmonger greater advantages than it does builders. A new concept would need to be added to off set warmongering bonuses, a concept which has more baring on succesful foreign policies - that destroying an enemy isn't always a good thing.

In the 18th and 19th centuries the Netherlands was very powerful outside of Europe but weak within Europe. Its existence was ultimately down to the fact that while a number of European states would have liked to rule the territory (noticably France), no state wanted to risk seeing the rich territory fall under the control of another state since that would see a rival gain a lot of power. The Netherlands existed because the nations that might try to conquer it recognised the risk of another nation conquering it and (for the most part) upheld its sovereignty.

Incorporate the enemy of my enemy, but also incorporate the desire to maintain the status quo, the desire to prevent weak nations (regardless of wether they're friendly or not) becoming strong nations, and the desire to weaken stronger nations.