The English

[Longshanks]

Originally posted by Benz
I admit that the English has one of the strongest history. They did many genocide big time and destroyed alot of peaceful civilizations.

Are they the strongest?

For an unknown reason, it looks like the English(almost the americans) are the only one that do not speak more than one language. Is it a sign of inferiority?

Being the stronger rather means that you are the more cruel. It is the basis of all empires.

Your analysis is too week, how do you explain the Russians, the spanish in latin america and so on?

If the English were the stronger, it doesn't mean they were the only one among all others. There is so many civilizations in this world, the diversity is beautiful and everyone has something where they are the best at.

French, Danish, Dutch, Deutch, Finnish, Swedish, Spanish, Russians, Greek, Arabs, Zulus, Indians, aboriginals of americas and so on... name it! They all have something particular that make them beautiful and interesting to discover. The English hasn't destroyed them yet and they are not about to do so.

We don't have the same values my friend. For you, the greatest nation might be the strongest, for someone else, this value rather means worse civilization. Because it seeks to destroy the others.

Civ III is reflecting what happened in the history. How do you define a winner? Killing everyone or having the best culture? Civ III is just a game. The real life isn't a game.

"untill now there are no more than 3 very great civs that made it since man conquered earth"

It must be weird for an outlander to observe us destroying each other, looking for being the king of the mountain (earth). For what? Different colors of the skin? Different languages? we are the same humans after all?

Civ is just a game my friend, a simple game. A funny one but, it still just a game.

Oh my God!!!! I've never heard such an incredible amount of cr@p in my entire life. Which Hollywood Historical Nonsense film have you been watching to get that kind of opinion??? Braveheart? The Patriot??? Both films are historically rubbish!!

Genocide??? Where did the British (or English, which you seem to be confused over the fact they aren't synonymous) commit blatant Genocide??

Seek to destroy others?? The British spent 300 years attempting to keep the balance of power in Europe intact. Whenever the balance was threatened, the British and their allies would attempt to stop it. After the Napoleanic wars, Britain was in a strong position in Europe - but did we decide to keep France from the French?? Non!

The British conquered many countries during the 19th Century. Its not something I'm personally very proud of - but not because the British sought to destroy others or commit murder on a grand scale (which is simply completely untrue) - but because I believe a country should be left in peace.

There was only one reason for the British Empire.... money, pure and simple. There was no attempt at any point to snuff out civilisations, unless you include the ancestors of the British in their respective countries (ie. The Americans with the Native Americans and the Australians with the Aborigines).

The British Empire was no more brutal in its intent than the Roman Empire - or indeed any other Empire. Whilst I am sure that the English/British have committed atrocities in the past, none of which I am proud of - your comment on genocide is complete rubbish and the words of something obviously completely ignorant of the facts!

Now, might I suggest you actually read some good History books instead of forming an inaccurate opinion based on (apparently) watching Hollywood's version of History.

I don't normally get wound up about stuff like this, but your post was so full of cr@p, I simply couldn't let it go!

 

[dizidave]

As for a strong EU.. Im all for it.. I'd be happy to let you guys take care of your own messes instead of dragging us into some European conflict every few decades to help get rid of some crazy dictator who wants to wipe out his fellow europeans..

errr....and on the flip coin?.....whats happening now in afghanistan? which was the first country to pledge support to the US?


exactly.



gimp.

 

[Moulton]

All of a sudden, in this game I find numerous ships on the high seas. I Better push out a few more Men-of-War.
According to the book, you can blockade trade by putting a ship on every square around a port.
kSince all my opponents are on the 'other' continent, it is not an option for me, in this game
I 'll have to try that if I can set up the conditions...

 

[Caligula]

Thanks for the tip Moulton, I didn´t know trade could be blockaded by sea! I´m impressed that Firaxis included that, which makes the naval units good for something besides bombarding improvements.

Do you know if there´s a way to trade food, as in Civ2? I liked being able to focus a city on production/trade, then send in food from outside.

 

[Moulton]

No, I wish
However, I have not had a problem, as I did in Civ2 with cities which could not survive. In the wrong locations, they can't grow, but they support at least pop1
sometimes a city is just not able to grow itself. I add a worker or two, and a temple so it will expand it borders, then ifnecessary another worker. to get it started.
Now, if it is in the middle of the desert--like a super colony to harvest incense or saltpetre, and keep the AI from putting a c ity there.... the let it be pop 1 or 2.

 

[Blackadder]

Right- LISTEN UP!


It is not a British civ!

The English unique unit would probably be better of with a powerful Longbowman, as was historically used in the Battle of Agincourt (okay, longbowmen are included but I cannot think of any other British 'special' weapons). If we were talking about Britain, two unique units would be needed (three if the Welsh have any ideas.......) would be needed, to reperesent the United Kingdom..........May I suggest the Highlander regiment or a bagpiper (the wailing would give it excellant defence!)

As a Scot(Okay partly, I'm also Chinese but have no English blood), kindly do not CALL ME ENGLISH.

Cunobelin Of Hippo: Would you rather have Edward (Longshanks) the first? He was very lucky to escape accidental deaths three times (lightning hitting the servant next to him, his wife sucking out poison etc) , was known as the Hammer of the Scots, invaded Wales alot and (sadly) started a holocaust in England. His son is a better choise if you're a Scottish player though as he deserved the title Hammered by the Scots......

P.S. In the off topic forum, a discussion labelled 'British Empire- A force for Good' has begun. Somehow its been steered into Britain Vs Argentina but there are some people still interested in the original topic..........

 

[Caligula]

In the book (or somewhere) it´s called `British´, so I think Firaxis intended to have a British civ, but quickly changed it at the end (it´s easier to replace a string than to change the artwork), when they realised Queen Elizabeth I of England wasn´t the leader of any British state. I don´t know if the English deserve a civ, since England wasn´t such an important country before it was united with Scotland. I always rename it to British when I play as that civ anyway, and also add Scottish, Welsh and Irish city names.

As for the special unit, British naval superiority was inherited from English naval superiority (it was the English navy that defeated the Spanish one), so the special unit isn´t such a bad one. It´s worthless because the naval balance of the game is poor, but if that worked, it would be a good unit for either England or Britain.

I think it´s pointless to argue about things like this, e.g. whether or not Russia represents all the Slavic civs, whether or not America should be called something else, etc. It´s all silly. The civs represent whatever each player wants them to.

 

[Blackdragon]

me = nazi

u call me a nazi? i fight them since 96 im organized in the munich ASTA org. and german linksruck network. we fight the fashists active but just talking bout. we organize blockades and protests together with the european ATTAC and german ANTIFA.

u call me a nazi?

i call ashcroft a nazi, a member of a democratic government.
i call all members of the NRA nazis
i call berlusconi a nazi

but u dont call me a nazi again!!

iam sozialist

SOZIALISM in CIV 3 = no ability to build troops, no + or - in cash flow but very happy people without any cathedrals = u won THE GAME by eleminate the egoiste behavoir of the man

 

[vulture]

The reason the English unit is the Man-o-War they completely outclassed everyone else with that unit at the hight of their dominance.

The latter english vessals were good but in the 20th century German vessals outclassed them ship for ship. It is only the 3-1 numeric superiority that allowed them to keep the German fleet bottled up while simultaneously dominating every ocean in the world.

 

[andystreet]

Sure naval units can blockade trade, if you surround the enemies harbour with fortified units (obviously modern ships are better for this as they take up more than one square!)

On the subject of the english, I like to make it fairer by making it so only they can build longbowmen (although this was more accurately mainly the Welsh). The American civ could do with a different special unit too (cruise missiles?).

 

[andystreet]

Also, men-o-war represent trafalger-era ships, which are a british unit. As purely English naval superiority would have come from the elizabethan era (i.e spanish armada), it would probably be more realistic to have an upgraded Privateer. This would actually be far more characterful (ie the exploits of Drake, for example) and more useful as a UU.

 

[vulture]

I think a better reflection of the culture's feel of war would be for different cultures to have bonuses for certain units throught time rather than a fixed special unit that only lasts a few years.

English bonus to ships attack/bombard
French bonus to infantry attack facter
Germans bonus to mobile units
Chinese cheep infantry
Rusians cheep mobile units
Roman Bonus to infantry defence (run to the field and dig in was the roman stratagy)
Zulu Fast infantry
Babalon bonus to archers and artillery

 

[Spawnbob]

English people never even succeed to unified the people of their own lil island. Why 4 national soccer teams if what I'm saying is wrong

actually there a reason behind why we get 4 football teams it was a bit of Skullduggery well not bad but anyway the FA wanted 4 teams instead of a British side as it effectively gave us more teams in the World Cup , FIFA gave Britain this concession based on Britain starting football. There has been calls to have a British Team but no one really wants it, it is unusual and unique i.e in the Olympics you have a British team and not English , Scottish etc.

UEFA also like this arrangement because it gives Europe, UEFA 3 more teams then if there was a British Team only, this is important as it means that they get more'slots' for the World Cup , so if there was a British Team , Europe would lose 1 place for the Teams that can qualify for the World Cup.

So its in Europes interest that there never is a British football team as it would mean less European teams in the World Cup if there where

Also i dont think the English UU should be Naval ( me being English myself ) English Naval power wasnt really to do with a particular 'Unit' as such but they tactics, number a better UU would be the Longbowman which was a distinct military unit , ( i know there is a lbowman already ).

 

[Cruiser]

Originally posted by Benz
I admit that the English has one of the strongest history. They did many genocide big time and destroyed alot of peaceful civilizations. . .

Doesn't Civ III encourage the same thing with the need to raze cities due to too much Culture Flipping??

BTW, the British (or English) were bad, and were responsible for near genocide against the irish in the 1840's, but they didn't "destroy" civilizations; they merely brutally exploited them.
China, for instance, had opium forced on them by the British, and millions of Chinese died of drug addiction. But Britain got silver as payment.

 

[andystreet]

A bit off topic - the football thing also gives the UK 4 seats on the FIFA council rather than the one that they would get as a single team (England, Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland.)

I have tried to make the game fairer by removing all the useless unique units and replacing them with something better (i.e english have upgraded Privateer, US have Tomahawk cruise missile etc) You should try the privateer thing on a big island map, if it is good enough to take out most post-ironclad shipping, it can make for some interesting tactics (make it bad on defence though, so its not good at blockading ports etc)