The First Ironic Republic

[donsig]

Now that the construction deal is complete and we're in the middle ages it's time to discuss if (when) we should inaugurate the First Ironic Republic. The war is ongoing. We'd made peace overtures to the Iroqi who have not replied. Now that we can build pikemen we have less to fear from an Iroqi attack. That may drag the war on even longer...

The Galls already have a republic and the Greeks are now in anarchy. The Iroqi do not have republic. Parhaps they forsee a long war and are planning on switching to monarchy. Who knows?

Well, do we stay in despotism till the war ends or switch to republic in the midst of our prolonged struggle? Remember we may have an extended period of anarchy which could prove dangerous if the Iroqi mount an offensive.

 

[BCLG100]

I think we should switch to republic, it is still a reasonable war time technology, te extended anarchy shouldnt prove too great that by the time its finished with overrun with iroqi.

 

[TimBentley]

We currently have about 54 wwp, high on level 1 WW (25% unhappy people), close to level 2 WW (50% unhappy people).

 

[donsig]

We currently have about 54 wwp, high on level 1 WW (25% unhappy people), close to level 2 WW (50% unhappy people).

That's bad for republic, right?

Something occured to me this morning. I've only played a few Conquests games, but isn't there another type of government that's not in vanilla Civ III or PTW? I'm talking about feudalism. I've never used it in any of my games so I don't know anything about it. We didn't get a pop-up asking us if we wanted to change to feudalism so I forgot all about it. Do we need another tech besides feudalism to install feudalism as a government?

Is feudalism a valid option for us?

 

[Theoden]

Feudalism only requires the tech feudalism... but it isn't a worthwhile choice IMHO. Feudalism has war weariness as well, and the only real advantage is the huge unit support if you have lots of towns.

I'm mostly for switching to republic after the war. We don't have enough luxuries to keep the populace happy with both war weariness and the lost MP benefit. It would require a very high lux slider, which isn't really affordable at this point.
On the other hand if we revolt now we may be able to make peace before our anarchy is over, in which case it would be perfect timing.

 

[BCLG100]

Feudalism is right up there with depotism as the worst government in the game imo

 

[greekguy]

Feudalism really isn't an option, unless we plan on being peaceful and we settle the entire jungle. otherwise, it is a $hit government. I think we should just switch to Republic when the First D'Nut war ends. (i think we should try to kill them off in a second war centuries from now)

 

[donsig]

OK, feudalism is bad and we want republic after the war. We need a plan to end this war then. I'm thinking the nuts see that we're weak compared to them and so aren't really considering peace. Any ideas how we convince them to sign a treaty?

 

[TimBentley]

Mention the fact that we could research chivalry soon?

 

[donsig]

Mention the fact that we could research chivalry soon?

We could also show off our pikemen.

The Greeks have reminded us of the Great Library threat. If the Nuts build it then we're back at parity. If the Galls build it they may sell key techs to the Nuts anyway. I'd be very surprised if the other three teams aren't prebuilding a wonder somewhere.

In any event, the Iroqi have given us their terms for peace. See the Iroqi Communication thread.

 

[donsig]

Is it time to start planning our republic?

Should we make peace as soon as we can and then switch to republic? We have very little infrastucture - no marketplaces at all, for instance.

What about the Iroqi? Do we make peace, switch to republic and just build up our military so we can attack them again? Our immortals may well be able to wreak havoc on them if we send them down along with a stack of pikemen.

 

[TimBentley]

Switching to republic upon peace would significantly improve our economy (higher research and/or better income), even assuming raising lux to 20%.

 

[Theoden]

What about the Iroqi? Do we make peace, switch to republic and just build up our military so we can attack them again? Our immortals may well be able to wreak havoc on them if we send them down along with a stack of pikemen.

Republic is not exactly a war government. Building up a viable force in peacetime with so few city-sized cities as we have under republic can turn out quite expensive, as the support cost is 2gpt for each unit above the allowed. Also if we attack too soon after making peace some of the war weariness from the current war will still cause problems.
I suggest we make peace, switch to republic, wait for chivalry and then start building knights because they are few, but effective, and will limit unit upkeep costs. Knights along with the military we already have should be affordable and effective at the same time, while having the great economy benefit of republic.

 

[BCLG100]

Republic is not exactly a war government. Building up a viable force in peacetime with so few city-sized cities as we have under republic can turn out quite expensive, as the support cost is 2gpt for each unit above the allowed. Also if we attack too soon after making peace some of the war weariness from the current war will still cause problems.
I suggest we make peace, switch to republic, wait for chivalry and then start building knights because they are few, but effective, and will limit unit upkeep costs. Knights along with the military we already have should be affordable and effective at the same time, while having the great economy benefit of republic.

I agree but could we not also prebuild some horsemen so we can upgrade them when we have the chance.

 

[Theoden]

I agree but could we not also prebuild some horsemen so we can upgrade them when we have the chance.

That's a good suggestion providing we can get enough gold. It costs 120g to upgrade a horseman to a knight. If we can get a good republic going that shouldn't be a problem though.

 

[lost_civantares]

What about unit support? How much will that cost us, or does it change at all when going to a republic?

 

[BCLG100]

Republic is not exactly a war government. Building up a viable force in peacetime with so few city-sized cities as we have under republic can turn out quite expensive, as the support cost is 2gpt for each unit above the allowed. Also if we attack too soon after making peace some of the war weariness from the current war will still cause problems.
I suggest we make peace, switch to republic, wait for chivalry and then start building knights because they are few, but effective, and will limit unit upkeep costs. Knights along with the military we already have should be affordable and effective at the same time, while having the great economy benefit of republic.

Think what theoden said was correct.

 

[lost_civantares]

Oops, sorry, didn't see that.

 

[donsig]

OK, it looks like peace is about to break out. I suggest we wait until our settler is ready in three turns before starting the revolution.

 

[BCLG100]

OK, it looks like peace is about to break out. I suggest we wait until our settler is ready in three turns before starting the revolution.

Probably best , may as well push science all the way down to get a bit of gold as when we enter republic were bound to have a better tech research rate.