The Great War Thread

[Shaitan]

Conflicting ideas and they all have merit. Time for the polls!
Who to ally against
How much to spend on an alliance.
When to get the alliance signed.

 

[Falcon02]

Another thing about the Egyptian alliance. If we get them to declare war against the Romans or Greeks they MIGHT call in more people against Egypt, diverting more forces AWAY from us. While this isn't guarenteed it is a potential benifit.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by donsig

...unless the consensus is to establish the embassy and talk to Cleo before we end our current turn.

I think it is almost too risky not too. If the Egyptians join this war against us, we will be in very serious trouble. I have lost games on monarch level because of situations like this.

 

[donsig]

. I have lost games on monarch level because of situations like this.

If we lose we will learn from our lesson. I think the situation is not as bad as it seems but I do agree that each step we take now could be a crucial one. I've been thinking about ways we could improve our descision making process. One idea I had was giving the President an administrative assistant, someone who could pull the relavent info together and get it to Grey Fox in a form that would help him to prepare for the turn chats.

One useful function this person could perform would be simply listing the upcoming descisions that will have to be made. For instance, we have a settler - where will it go? If all the talk is about who we will ally with any talk about the settler will be difficult to find in the posts. Yet, when turn chat time comes that settler will be there waiting to move. The settler is just an example.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by donsig


If we lose we will learn from our lesson. I think the situation is not as bad as it seems but I do agree that each step we take now could be a crucial one. I've been thinking about ways we could improve our descision making process. One idea I had was giving the President an administrative assistant, someone who could pull the relavent info together and get it to Grey Fox in a form that would help him to prepare for the turn chats.

One useful function this person could perform would be simply listing the upcoming descisions that will have to be made. For instance, we have a settler - where will it go? If all the talk is about who we will ally with any talk about the settler will be difficult to find in the posts. Yet, when turn chat time comes that settler will be there waiting to move. The settler is just an example.

I don't suppose you are volunteering for this position?

 

[donsig]

No, not volunteering. I'm just the idea guy. I don't like actual work.

I was hoping someone out there would find the idea appealing and be enticed by an official title.

I will in any event continue to give my advice at no charge...

Any word on how much the Egyptian embassy will cost?

 

[Cyc]

Shaitan, the Department of Culture (DOC) would vote to have an alliance with Egypt against Greece, IF an aliiance with Egypt were to be drawn up. The reasons for this were posted in the last DOC posting.

 

[Cyc]

@Donsig. I do not approve of the AA position as, if the President were to become to busy to keep up with all the current affairs, then the AA could feed the President a list of questions that may have been supplied by an outside influence. Not being an elected position, the AA would have less responsibilty towards the public and could be persuaded to steering the line of questioning away from the issue that are at hand. This would also detract from the power of the Leaders as the President may also start to rely on the AA for direction more than his cabinet. I believe another course of action is called for.

 

[donsig]

Yeah, the AA would have the pitfalls Cyc points out. Bureaucracy! Well, it still seems like the Pres needs some help. I know I'd hate to be responsibile for going through all the threads and figuring out what's what.

Perhaps one of the new cabinet members could be the one to summarize things for the Pres - or wouldn't that be appropriate to their duties. (I must confess I haven't read much about the new positions.)

Please note that I am not insinuating that Grey Fox is not doing a good job. Just thinking we could make things easier on him during the turn chat - so he will continue to have fun like the rest of us. I'm also not suggesting that Grey Fox be solely looking at something from an AA type individual. I'm just thinking that if he saw some (unbiased) summaries somethings might catch his attention that otherwise wouldn't. Last note: the 'unbiased' thing refers to cabinet members - who are supposed to be a bit biased towards their respective departments!

 

[donsig]

I hesitate to bring up more ideas that will take gold away from upgrading our warriors but it may be worth trying to buy maps from those not yet at war with us. We bought America's map for only 7 gold. Any other maps under 10 gold should be seriously considered for purchase (before the civ Dominos!)

 

[Falcon02]

If we could get a GOOD WORLD Map, it might be really good.... for the right price though.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by donsig
Yeah, the AA would have the pitfalls Cyc points out. Bureaucracy! Well, it still seems like the Pres needs some help. I know I'd hate to be responsibile for going through all the threads and figuring out what's what.

Perhaps one of the new cabinet members could be the one to summarize things for the Pres - or wouldn't that be appropriate to their duties. (I must confess I haven't read much about the new positions.)

Please note that I am not insinuating that Grey Fox is not doing a good job. Just thinking we could make things easier on him during the turn chat - so he will continue to have fun like the rest of us. I'm also not suggesting that Grey Fox be solely looking at something from an AA type individual. I'm just thinking that if he saw some (unbiased) summaries somethings might catch his attention that otherwise wouldn't. Last note: the 'unbiased' thing refers to cabinet members - who are supposed to be a bit biased towards their respective departments!

I am hoping the City Summaries thread will help a bit. Might I convince you to at least become a mayor? I promise it wouldn't be much work....

 

[Falcon02]

With Gray Fox's Permission I established an Embassy in Egypt so that we can be well prepared for the next turn chat Sunday night.

It looks like Greece will be CHEAPER than Rome. However it still EXPENSIVE.

To attack Greece it will cost our World map, 436 Gold (all of it), and 4 gpt. This is with no bartering. When I tried to barter the issue it didn't really improve much. None seemed acceptable to me.
I took the deal down to, our World map, 273 gold, and 10 gpt, this is the BEST I was able to come up with.

Keep in mind we already have a policy not to give maps away. Even ignoring that they want more than HALF our gold, we would be left with roughly 140 gold, only enough for 3 Immortal upgrades, and out of our 15 gpt profit we'd be left with only 5 gpt. While, I wish there were a way to garentee Egypt as an Ally, it seems like the cost is WAY too much.

 

[donsig]

That is an expensive alliance. It is great to have this information now.

eyrei: re mayors - I'd like to hold out for a conquered city but if all the mayor spots aren't claimed before the turn chat Sunday I will volunteer for one because your city summary thread is a great idea.

 

[Cyc]

So, where's the official statement on this?

 

[Shaitan]

The official statement is: "Gross!"

That's terrible. Worse than I had feared. I had expected to lose the treasury but not cripple the economy as well. My gut reaction is "no deal" but the poll results say to go for it. The highest poll count is for 6 immortals in 6 turns (we'd have 5) and the second highest is for getting the alliance now at any cost.

 

[Falcon02]

Cyc, if your wondering if I REALLY got permission for this, it was in the Chat room. So the only real verification that I had permission can be gotten from Gray Fox and Eyrei.

 

[donsig]

We have a settler in Eyr. The Eyptians have one to the east of Lake Phoenatica. Egypt does not have horses. Are they going for the horses to the west of our big lake? Should we use our settler to race them to the spot? Do we leave the horses for Cleo since she might be our ally?

What we do with the settler has a bearing on our Great War effort. If we send it south it will have to be escorted. If we send it NW then it can go alone.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Falcon02
Cyc, if your wondering if I REALLY got permission for this, it was in the Chat room. So the only real verification that I had permission can be gotten from Gray Fox and Eyrei.

Yes, he did have permission. As Grey Fox was going to bed and I was going out, we asked Falcon to do it. It will avoid our having to do that, and that only in the next session, because, opinions may change with this new information. It did not require even ending the current turn, so it is perfectly legal.

The deal with Egypt is VERY expensive. We may want to explore other options, such as attempting to undermine the alliances against us by signing peace treaties. Babylon is already willing, which would undermine the alliance with the Iroquios, which would undermine another alliance, etc. The cost would probably come out to be about the same, but it would have the additional effect of ruining the reputations of all these civs.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

The cost of an alliance with America is also exorbitant, as in:

400 gold
7 gold per turn
WM

I think we should explore the cost of buying peace from Babalyon.

Bill
Trade Leader