The problem is that that takes time time ship. My bf shipped it on Friday, so that puts it here on Wednesday or Thursday. I simply cannot wait that long. Civ 4 is all I think about. If that game hadn't been released yet, it'd be one thing, but knowing that I've got the files installed and access is being denied me based solely on my physical location seems idiotically arbitrary and unfair. It's also driving me nuts.
The Long Wait Continues...
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CorruptAssassin
Chieftain
its true, the system sucks, and badly.
Looks as though you may have to stick with watching some civ vids and reading walkthrough's/articles to bide your time untill you get it next week
It'll be well worth the wait though. If you want, maybe get another cheap game to bide your time untill you get it. May help take your mind off it!
Looks as though you may have to stick with watching some civ vids and reading walkthrough's/articles to bide your time untill you get it next week
It'll be well worth the wait though. If you want, maybe get another cheap game to bide your time untill you get it. May help take your mind off it!
ScaryMonkey
Chieftain
Hey man, where are you teaching? I'm living in a little inaka town myself...
Kudos said:
Imagine, if you can, having a thermonuclear device dropped on your country. Imagine how you feel. Imagine having the country that dropped said thermonuclear device make a game where people drop thermonuclear devices on each other at will.
I never said the game was anti-Japanese. I just said that I don't feel it will be popular in Japan because of the atomic bomb option.
About the way the companies release games: I think they should learn a lot from the underground community. It's so ridiculous, that you must wait weeks(!) after a game is gold, to be able to play with it. Especially if you live outside of the US. (I really condemn piracy, and I don't support it at all, and my post is not about piracy.) But the underground release system is waaaaaay more advanced and efficient then the official one. The publishers could learn from them. Usually games are "avaible" DAYS before the official release EVERYWHERE around the world. Not to mention that you get much better support(technical+gameplay) and you don't have to care about aggressive copy-protections either. I just wonder how the offical release system hasn't collapsed yet, when you get much better services +you can get everything a lot faster for free, without any risk of being caught. It's not about paying for the game or not, but it's way easieeer and more comfortable to use the internet then actually going to a shop and buying it. I still don't support piracy, but I had to tell it. Companies should utilize THE INTERNET at last, and break with their obsolete technologies, it's the future. If the developers of the game finish on Monday, you should be able to play it on Tuesday , instead of waiting weeks because of some rigid system. People would love to SPEND money on games, but when you are in front of your computer and hesitating: should I wait 2 weeks till the game is released in my county, then go to the game shop which is 20km away, or just simply press a button, wait 1hour, then PLAY, you just can't resist. I think this is the biggest reason why people pirate games, and not the prices. I have all of my games in original versions, because I love multiplayer, and luckily I am rich enough to purchase everything, just wanted to tell ya my opinion about how much publishers are behind the underground scene.
Psyringe
Scout
SPQR300 said:I see I was too complex... no answers?
I just didn't want to bump the thread.
For someone who doesn't advocate piracy (as you claim), you certainly present a surprisingly large amount of "advantages" ...
Warlord Sam
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I think people are being a little too harsh on someone that has the reasonable expectation that, being an American citizen, he would be able to purchase an American game. Granted, he got really fired up about the situation, but c'mon... I know I'd be way worse than him if I didn't have my copy of Civ 4 currently, and there was nothing I could do. It was all I could manage to hold onto my sanity knowing that people had gotten copies for beta testing months before the release 
Let's all step back, stop throwing accusations of racism (especially when we're referring to nationality, not race
) and sympathize with a poor comrade whose currently unable to get his Civ4 fix. I for one am very sad for the poor fellow!!!
Lastly, there's a huge difference in playing a game that specifically let you fly planes into the WTC less than ten years after 9/11, and a game that would allow terrorism as one of the many methods of realistically modeling international relations 50 years after 9/11. In other words, I don't think that Civ4 is going to be all that offensive to the average Japanese gamer, in spite of it including nuclear warfare in a realistic manner.
Let's all step back, stop throwing accusations of racism (especially when we're referring to nationality, not race
) and sympathize with a poor comrade whose currently unable to get his Civ4 fix. I for one am very sad for the poor fellow!!!Lastly, there's a huge difference in playing a game that specifically let you fly planes into the WTC less than ten years after 9/11, and a game that would allow terrorism as one of the many methods of realistically modeling international relations 50 years after 9/11. In other words, I don't think that Civ4 is going to be all that offensive to the average Japanese gamer, in spite of it including nuclear warfare in a realistic manner.
IkimashoZ said:
Based on how it reads, (to me at least) it seems as though your use of the term "thermonuclear device" was both a concious and deliberate one.
I found this choice of words to be interesting, especially considering the fact that NO "thermonuclear device" has EVER been dropped on any country.
I realize that you were referring to the atomic bombs dropped on Japan.
Ok, fair enough, but understand that these were NOT thermonuclear bombs.
In fact the first "thermonuclear" weapon was not built until the 1950's.
PS: Just trying to educate/inform so don't take this as critism.
weasel77066
Prince
Personally I think this whole thread is both conscious and deliberate. I may be wrong but it seems as though someone is poking around for a cd fix. A week is not that long.
Imagine you were from ANY country that has EVER lost millions of people through convention warfare.
Like... I don't think Russians or... Poles or Germans are going to be offended by tanks and infantry. PANZERS even for God's sake. A unit meant to depict an important weapon used by the Germans to try and take over Europe that resulted in the deaths of a lot of people. Nobody's gonna be offended.
This isn't "MS Hiroshima Simulator 2005", it just has nukes in it. I really don't think many people anywhere in the universe are that mental.
Like... I don't think Russians or... Poles or Germans are going to be offended by tanks and infantry. PANZERS even for God's sake. A unit meant to depict an important weapon used by the Germans to try and take over Europe that resulted in the deaths of a lot of people. Nobody's gonna be offended.
This isn't "MS Hiroshima Simulator 2005", it just has nukes in it. I really don't think many people anywhere in the universe are that mental.
Really? I've always been kind of wary of the inclusion of the atomic bomb myself. Sort of makes me uncomfortable (obviously not enough to not play the game). I'm just imagining the Japanese parents I know watching their kids play a computer game and have a nuke fill the screen... and well, for most of them, I don't imagine the reaction being a very impassive one. I think it's true that there are people, especially among the early twenties and under generation that could care less, but kids' parents who were born much closer to all of this and the grandparents (who probably live in the same house as the rest of the family) would definitely not take well to that aspect of the game. That's just how I feel.
Did I ask for anyone's help in finding a CD fix? Did I not make it clear from my first post that I'd had someone purchase a copy of the game for me and that it was on the way?
That reminds me. Christine at IGN is a giant *expletive deleted*.
weasel77066 said:
Did I ask for anyone's help in finding a CD fix? Did I not make it clear from my first post that I'd had someone purchase a copy of the game for me and that it was on the way?
That reminds me. Christine at IGN is a giant *expletive deleted*.
DemonDeLuxe
Warlord
For one, not being able to purchase the game has nothing to do with a lack of infrastructure - it's company policy, a marketing decision, and that's about it. While I agree that pirates are amazingly quick in their releases (it's their "honour"...), this is simply not the point here. It's not that they wouldn't be able to sell CIV4 to Japan - they don't want to, right now. Which is their right, of course.
Concerning the topic "nuclear bombs and low popularity in Japan": Basically, I agree. I can only shake my head when I see the millionth US-american movie or game in which the Nazis play the role of some aggressive clowns. Then again, I don't have a problem with such things appearing in CIV, not even with the usual "fascist patches" or "Hitler leaders". History is a mix of good and evil - it would be unrealistic to hide the ugly parts.
However, i definitely kan understand IkimashoZ. We don't have KZs in our games, either, and for the better. I noticed, too, that in CIV4 the moral lesson of earlier versions seems to have eradicated and all the other civs do NOT declare war after you dropped the bomb. Together with the non-existent pollution, I see this as one of the big drawbacks of CIV4, game-wise. In earlier version, it was a game you could give to children and they could learn a lesson from it. This aspect has decreased considerably, sadly so.
Concerning the topic "nuclear bombs and low popularity in Japan": Basically, I agree. I can only shake my head when I see the millionth US-american movie or game in which the Nazis play the role of some aggressive clowns. Then again, I don't have a problem with such things appearing in CIV, not even with the usual "fascist patches" or "Hitler leaders". History is a mix of good and evil - it would be unrealistic to hide the ugly parts.
However, i definitely kan understand IkimashoZ. We don't have KZs in our games, either, and for the better. I noticed, too, that in CIV4 the moral lesson of earlier versions seems to have eradicated and all the other civs do NOT declare war after you dropped the bomb. Together with the non-existent pollution, I see this as one of the big drawbacks of CIV4, game-wise. In earlier version, it was a game you could give to children and they could learn a lesson from it. This aspect has decreased considerably, sadly so.
My torture ended at approximately 2 AM yesterday morning. What I did was sleep from about 9 until 1:30, then I played until 4 AM then went back to sleep until 7:30 (only did that because I have to teach class today). As a result, while I felt totally in my right mind now, I the whole 2-3 hour period has a very lucid feel in my memory. I remember enjoying the game, and that I played Egypt, but I can't seem to remember any of the details. I designed my computer at home in Illinois for game usage, not the laptop I took to Japan, so it was running pretty slowly, I remember that now, but I really can't tell you anything else about the experience.
Rules are made to avoid abuse. In rare circumstances, following the rules itself is abuse. Thus, I stick firmly to my position that Christine at IGN is a giant ... ... ... ... . I leave it to your imagination what those words should be. Having purchased the game, I have no guilt concerning IGN or the publishers of the game over my subsequent actions. If they had politely declined my request instead of accusing me of being a Japanese spy, that would be one thing, but there was absolutely no attempt on their part to look at the situation from my perspective.
That's interesting to know. I obviously haven't gotten that far in the game. I personally have never used nuclear weapons in any of the previous civ games (and I'm not implying you're a bad person if you do), partly because of how I feel about the subject and partly because of the 'everyone declares war' problem.
I would hope at least that everyone gets annoyed at you in Civ4. Does the civ you attacked get royally pissed at least??
DemonDeLuxe said:
Rules are made to avoid abuse. In rare circumstances, following the rules itself is abuse. Thus, I stick firmly to my position that Christine at IGN is a giant ... ... ... ... . I leave it to your imagination what those words should be. Having purchased the game, I have no guilt concerning IGN or the publishers of the game over my subsequent actions. If they had politely declined my request instead of accusing me of being a Japanese spy, that would be one thing, but there was absolutely no attempt on their part to look at the situation from my perspective.
DemonDeLuxe said:
That's interesting to know. I obviously haven't gotten that far in the game. I personally have never used nuclear weapons in any of the previous civ games (and I'm not implying you're a bad person if you do), partly because of how I feel about the subject and partly because of the 'everyone declares war' problem.
I would hope at least that everyone gets annoyed at you in Civ4. Does the civ you attacked get royally pissed at least??
NKVD
Cossack
ebay is the way to go...
Shylock
Hey smiling strange
IkimashoZ said:
Dont worry, to them WW2 never happened.
