The Matrix Re-loaded spoiler/question/answer thread

[Xen]

The significance of the comma;
if you have ever seen the newist version of the dune movies you know what the significance of a comma is; a military man's walk-a-bout, what dose that mean?It means that Neo, and Paul Atriedies were under similer circum stances;eg both were more or less meshias, and needed time to focus, concentrate, and sort out information, which may be why Neo has the comma when he dose' because a sudden notion, or even reality hit him, and he needs time to sort it all out, what this notion is however is anyones guess

by Xen, king of the spielers.......

 

[nihilistic]

Xen, for half the post, I thought I was reading about the significance of the punctuation ",".

EDIT: Seriously though, correct the spelling.

 

[Elden]

Originally posted by Furry Spatula
First of all this is the 6th neo or "reincarnation" of him. Some people say it is only the 6th attempt destroy the matrix and the others wern't the one. However, look at the screens in the architect's room. the previous people all had the same physical appearance and vioce of this neo.

My impression of this was it was possible choices for Neo e.g. he could have said BULLSH!T of something else, a limitless number of choices.

It clearly wasn't other ones because they were all images of Neo (some from each of the movies if you look closely) the kids in some images were also Neo because in the credits there was a character - young Thomas Andersen not young The One.

 

[Gastric ReFlux]

Commas are great. I like them better than semi-colons.

Did you see where Neo comma-spliced that sentence and didn't even blink an eye?

 

[andrewgprv]

I believe the idea of the matrix inside a matrix.

Over and over and over again in the movie we are shown fractals.

Many times with the code visuals.

And most impotantly with the TV screens when he is meeting the Architect.

I think that the director is trying to guide us to the idea of the matrix being a Fractal. A matrix inside a Matrix inside a Matrix.

The coma does make sense because Neo may have an idea that he is in another matrix but he isn't so sure of himself. So as we have seen his mind takes damage so to speak because part of his mind still believes that this Matrix is reality.

 

[widdowmaker]

That vids in the architect room are what he is THINKING! They all yelled "bull****!" and then neo said it. They are what is running through his mind.

The matrix inside a matrix is not reasonable. Why would the architect, a AI, programmed to do things the best he can. Waste time re-doing everything?. No.


Real world is real. THe matrix is the matrix.

Zion was attacked because they grew too strong and could possibly overthrow the matrix. Moprheus said that they "grew" humans in M1. Morpheus is human and not a machine so i find that hard to belive.

Zion is a farm.

As for neo doing the power in the real world, in M1 he took a part of smith with him when he leapt inside of him. Just like smith took some of neo. The power of the one allows neo, with smiths code, to shut down machines. The power of the one with smith, allows the code to exist outside of the matrix. He went into a coma because he never did that in the real world. In the matrix he EXPECTS to be able to do that. Not in the real world.


The logic dictates if he exercises his "Real WOrld Mind Muscle" Or the ability to shutdown machines in the real world. He will get better at it. Just like in M1 he paracticed fghting morpheus, and the building jump.


EDIT: Typos

EDIT EDIT: BTW Who else thought that the porn scene was un-nessacary? I go to a movie theater to see a show. Not "Debbie DOes Dalas" so that all the guys can take part in a freaking "Circle Jerk". It was un-nessacary. Put that in the dvd version. But not the theater.
He will never be able to FLY in the realworld though. I do not belive the code will let him.

 

[Akka]

Originally posted by cgannon64
Two questions: Why wasn't the entire human race destroyed when Neo chose to save Trinity

I may be mistaken, but it seems that Neo made the same choice than all the previous anomalies : he chose to keep the Matrix running and not kill humanity.

But he seems to be somehow "better" than the other anomalies, and managed to get powers bigger than expected by the Architect, and then he could bring Trinity back to life, and start to feel machines in the real world.

 

[nihilistic]

Originally posted by Akka
and start to feel machines in the real world.

I'm quite sure he is still in the matrix. Why? Because otherwise there would be no way for Agent Smith to download himself there. Also, if the powers of "The One" can actually extend to the real world, then it will be way too cheesy. OK, let's just say that I hope it wasn't the real world.

 

[Akka]

Originally posted by nihilistic
I'm quite sure he is still in the matrix. Why? Because otherwise there would be no way for Agent Smith to download himself there.

Smith replaced one of the rebel when he was about to escape by the phone. He's already in the real world.

Also, if the powers of "The One" can actually extend to the real world, then it will be way too cheesy.

Well, on the contrary, it at least make him really special OUTSIDE the Matrix, and show that he's different from the previous "One".

 

[Xen]

sorry, it was 4:20 in the morn(no significance... ) and i was half asleep, what did you expect,war and peace?

 

[nihilistic]

Originally posted by Akka
Smith replaced one of the rebel when he was about to escape by the phone. He's already in the real world.

Now that I think about it some more ... fine, he imprinted himself onto that guy's brain. I can accept that.

Originally posted by Akka
Well, on the contrary, it at least make him really special OUTSIDE the Matrix, and show that he's different from the previous "One".

But this ... an ability to mentally control machines ... this is still cheesy.

 

[Akka]

Originally posted by nihilistic
But this ... an ability to mentally control machines ... this is still cheesy.

I suppose that it's not as powerful as the power he had in the Matrix (after all, here he just had to alter some "minor equations" to get all-powerful, as the Architect said), it's just the "something" that make him a real "One", even outside the fake world of the Matrix.

I suppose that the logic is that he has something in him that can alter somehow the Matrix itself, and this something make him able to influence/modify any intelligent Machine (as he accidently did with Agent Smith).

 

[kojimanard]

General thoughts: Movie makers prefer happy endings, for a number of reasons. So, I think the humans will win. Second, at least half of film is action, then add some interpersonal stuff, it doesnt leave much time for plot complication. As a result. I predict that Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus will destroy the Matrix and will win the war.

Of course, Neo may wake up in Kansas

 

[Turner]

Keep in mind, too, that while Smith d/l'ed himself into Bane, he still does exist in the RL. Sure, he primarily resides in the Matrix, but recall M1, when he was 'interrogating' Morhpeous. . . he said "I can't wait to get out of this zoo.". . . so he does exist outside the matrix, at an EI level. Imprinting himself, tho, on Bane, is a pretty cool trick.

And why not? There are SciFi stories out there where a human gets imprinted into a computer. . .

I'm still undecided on "A Matrix within the Matrix". . . but I am leaning towards it right now. I'm taking my boys to go see it, so I'll have another chance to look at it, and hopefully see things I missed on the first one.

And yes, I too think that the sex scene took away from the story. I mean, I know they love each other, and I know that the choice Neo made at the Source had everything to do with saving Trinity. . .didn't need to see their love expressed, tho.

 

[Cruise]

There was so much love shown in the movie to attract women to buy tickets to go watch.


Turner, what you said about "i can't wait to get out of this zoo"; very well found.
There are so many questions unanswered, i bet whatever they thought of we simply can't. The plot is just too brilliant.

 

[Gastric ReFlux]

Why are there so many taken aback by a sex scene?

And think about it. Showing Neo and Trinity being physically intimate is an important contrast for later when Persephone bargains with Neo for a kiss.

 

[nihilistic]

Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Why are there so many taken aback by a sex scene?

And think about it. Showing Neo and Trinity being physically intimate is an important contrast for later when Persephone bargains with Neo for a kiss.

I am not saying that showing intimacy is bad. I am saying that they overdone it. The elevator love scene is perfect, and probably suffficient too. However, the nude/rave scenes are too much. Although I was unaware of the rating, I knew a few second into that scene that no real nudity is going to be showed because they are already maximizing exposure around the so called "critical points". So the real reasons is: It's not that I don't want to see porn, it's that the sequence is way to long for one that doesn't actually show what we now consider "real porn".

 

[Gastric ReFlux]

Fair enough, I guess.

I just often get puzzled by the way some think any sex scene in a movie is gratuitous.

But I can understand you saying that you didn't like the way it was done.

 

[RoddyVR]

my initial reaction to the ending was:

Matrix within a Matrix.

i think that most of the machines/EIs and humans in the Matrix truly believe that the outside world is real, but infact its another matrix.

the Architect said that giving humans the Choise to believe or not believe in the Matrix made MOST of them accept the matrix much better and for much longer. the few that chose not to accept it (morpheus and so on) would get out, go to zion, build it up, then be told the profesy by the oracle (who's basicaly another architect btw). then eventualy Neo would come about as the statisticaly predictable anomaly that he is (powers of the ONE).
he gets LED to do the same things he did in the first movie, and most of the second. gets to the architect's office and 'reboots' the Matrix, picks 16 men and weman (dont remember the exact #) to restart Zion (which i assume doesnt get destroyed, but just cleansed of humans) and the whole process starts over.

i think the problem this time around (whether its the 6th time or the 6 millionth time is impossible to tell) is that this specific Neo is the Anomoly in BOTH matrixes, the inside one AND the outside one.

i think when A. Smith got killed in the first movie, he somehow realized that the outside that he thought was the real world is another matrix, that is why he could get out through Bain.

i think the Architect and the Oracle know that they are in a Matrix within a Matrix, but i dont think they expected Neo to be able to control the outside one.

if you think about the Architects speech (and some of the Oracles actions) you'll see that the biggest problem of the Matrix is to make humans live in it without knowing that its a fake.
they tried paradise. that failed quick.
they tried our time (circa 2000 AD) and it worked for a while.
they tried same thing with the CHOISE given to humans to accept or not accept the programing and that works for about 100 years. (zions age before it gets invaded and restarted).
the big matrix on the outside is designed to prevent any mishap in the process from going too far and actualy letting the humans get out.
but now the third movie will be about Neo figuring out that Zion is inside a matrix too and getting out into the REALY REAL world.

 

[RoddyVR]

some responses to ideas posted here.

"Neo can control machenes in the REAL world cause he absorbed some of A. Smith."

that ridiculus. he cant even contol machenes in the Matrix.
agent smith didnt control machines either. he told them what to do as a senior officer in an army.

Neo can control rules of physics in the matrix cause the Matrix itself does not have an inteligence. its just a program. all the entities in the matrix (agents/rouge programs/humans) are inteligent beings with their own will. nothing can control them, same as no human in our world can realy control another.

you notice in the matrix, Neo FIGHTS the agents instead of just saying "No" with a all knowing look on his face and making the agents fight eachother.