The Nine Satanic Statements

[Comraddict]

Here it goes:

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!



9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

My questions are:
- Do you find any of those statements true, logic, worth thinking?
-do you find these statements just as marketing tool to attract people?

 

[andrewgprv]

Satan represents just another myth that man should outgrow.

 

[bobgote]

they are all fairly representative of what i believe satan stands for. they are also fairly attractive ideals which most people subscribe to. (They'd probably be more attractive if they took out the Satan bit )

these statements will seem like logic if left without consequence, which is how most people do see it.

 

[Perfection]

What's the quote from?

 

[Comraddict]

The quote if from official Church of Satan website. ( Churchof... .com), by Anton Szandor LaVey.

 

[newfangle]

Some points have merit, but its still a metaphysical pile of goo.

 

[Mescalhead]

10. It is possible that Anton LaVey was merely out to make some money and draw attention to himself.



Cut through the pseudo-spiritualism and read Nietzsche. His ideas are more temperate and coherent.

 

[Drewcifer]

I saw Satan bumming smokes from the Easter Bunny.

 

[Esckey]

A few do have some merit when you think about it. At first I thought most were just a joke. But #4 is rather true, so often do people go "I'll just repent and He'll love me just as much as others"

 

[h4ppy]

:vampire:Beware of psycic vampires!:vampire:

Those seem like usable values, but they do not represent true Satanism, only someones hijacking of Satanism to benifit themselves.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

A couple have some value, but satan is just a creation to keep feudal serfs in line with their lords.

 

[gael]

Satan represents unhinged human emotion and instinct basically. If these didn't appeal to you in any way then your lying or...dead.

Anton LaVey is telling us everything we want to hear to try and build up a following.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Originally posted by andrewgprv
Satan represents just another myth that man should outgrow.

Thanks

 

[floppa21]

h4ppy - That would depend on one's definition of 'true satanism' now wouldn't it?

As for metaphysical goo and spiritualism, there isn't much of either in Lavey's brand of Satanism.

I see these statements as both truth and a marketing tool. They are each very true but they are also what we want to hear as Gael said.

Special attention should be put on the 8th statement. Satan is no more an entity or being than God is to a Satanist. 'Do I believe in Satan? Yes. Do I believe in a horned pitchfork wielding demon? No.'

Also notice that a common theme in these is that they are directly in contradiction to so much of what Christianity is based on. The self deceit in #3, the 'spiritual pipedream' in #2, kindness to those who DESERVE it in #4...

In this day and age, Lavey has better rules to live by than Jesus. If you live as Jesus would have you live, you will inherit sh*t.

 

[gael]

Originally posted by andrewgprv
Satan represents just another myth that man should outgrow.

Satan as an entity maybe does, thats an argument I don't really want to here, but what he represents is not myth, its the dark side of human nature.

You could say hes a metaphorical figure, the other side of the coin. You strip away all the religions, humans and how they respond to civilization are still going to have this conflict in some shape or form.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Originally posted by floppa21
'Do I believe in Satan? Yes. Do I believe in a horned pitchfork wielding demon? No.'

What do you believe Satan is? Is he a spiritual force thats the exact opposite of god?

If you live as Jesus would have you live, you will inherit sh*t.

I dont believe in the divinity of Jesus anymore than I believe in Satan, but I would rather die, living how he preached than live in the way this Lavey dude says. Hate sucks. Makes me feel bad. Love/compassion/humility makes me feel good.

 

[floppa21]

Originally posted by Dumb pothead

What do you believe Satan is? Is he a spiritual force thats the exact opposite of god?

I dont believe in the divinity of Jesus anymore than I believe in Satan, but I would rather die, living how he preached than live in the way this Lavey dude says. Hate sucks. Makes me feel bad. Love/compassion/humility makes me feel good.

I have trouble believing the whole God/Jesus/Heaven thing so I can't believe the whole Satan/Fallen Angel/Sulphurous Pit thing either. As Gael said in his last post, Satan in this topic represents the 'dark side' of humanity. Call it bad or evil or dark, it's in us as humans just as the good or light or holy is also. THIS is most close to what I think. What is another Satan? He was a fallen angel who adapted the goat appenditures from Roman god Pan at some point along the way in addition to the Hellfire and Brimstone.

Hate does suck, and is a prison of the mind and soul. But being a schmuck is just as bad in my opinion. In a perfect world, love/compassion/humility is good, but in THIS world, you have to pick your spots. That 'dark side' of humanity is ever-present and walking around trying to emulate Jesus will get you nowhere. Well, that's the way I see it. It would be great to be trusting and loving always, but that way leads to disaster if used in BLIND FAITH. Pick your spots and you'll do okay, but blindly be trusting and kind and you will get screwed.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Floppa, I hear what youre saying and its perfectly understandable. But I prefer be the screwEE and have a clear conscience, than be the screwER and know that Im hurting somebody. Its stupid I know, but I cant help it. I made a thread awhile ago asking if anyone could think of an act of love that changed the world, nobody could, including me.

 

[floppa21]

It's not stupid. I felt the same way once. Maybe my tolerance level is lower than others, who knows.

As for an act of love that changed the world, is religion discounted? God loved us and made the world. Jesus sacrificed himself for us... I must have missed that thread.

 

[Mescalhead]

Originally posted by Dumb pothead
Floppa, I hear what youre saying and its perfectly understandable. But I prefer be the screwEE and have a clear conscience, than be the screwER and know that Im hurting somebody. Its stupid I know, but I cant help it. I made a thread awhile ago asking if anyone could think of an act of love that changed the world, nobody could, including me.

Think of it this way. If you believe that all humans are inherently equal in "worth", then you must be equal compared to anyone else.
So if you are minding your own business and someone antagonizes you, then you have the moral high-ground and what you do to "disable" the threat is kosher. If you simply let them beat you it is no different than if you let them beat some old lady. You are both worth the same, though you may take into consideration mental vulnerability. Do you get my point?

Also, Satanists consider themselves "humane" if not immoral. Like I said, the COS doesn't stand for anything especially unique. Most of it's ideological ilk has been written down by Nietzsche, and he is far more well defined in morality or lack-there-of, and he is not prone to over-indulgence. Also, Nietzsche is not REACTIONARY. The COS seems to be.