The "No T&L" Bar is Now Open...

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Man, I got my hands on the collector's edition this morning from EB and hauled ass to load it up on my two laptops

IBM A21p
- PIII
- 512MB RAM
- ATI Rage Mobility 128

Sony VAIO TR1
- Pentium M (900)
- 512MB RAM
- Intel Integrated

Needless to say, all of my hand wringing and T&L fears have come true...

On the IBM, I installed successfully, but the graphics and sound get extremely choppy - the background is mostly black.

On the Sony, I also installed successfully, and the graphics and sound are a bit clearer and some of the background graphics came throught that didn't come up on my IBM - but then when going thru the tutorial, I get the infamous "Cheshire Cat" grinning head and the background map is mostly black...

So I did the following:

- Reduced graphics settings to "low" - no change
- Ran the 3D analyze program... no avail...
- Changed the XML "map" setting mentioned on another thread to "1" - no joy

So, basically, no joy.

Anyone and everyone is welcome to chime in with similar stories of having Civ in your hands and the cruel and unusual punishment of not being able to play it...

If there is anyone one out there with similar specs / no T&L and have successfully navigated / tweaked their computer to run - please post here...

Also, I'm wondering whether I should bother investing in addition RAM (upping to 1GB on my Sony) but before I do, it would be nice to get some feedback on whether that will be a waste of money.

THAT SAID,

People who want to come in here and tell us: "Get a new computer" well, thanks, we already know that is the ultimate drastic solution - but if we can collectively come together to try and resolve this without shelling out $$$ (e.g. my computers are perfect for what I need for now - one desktop replacement and one travel laptop) I'd just as soon try and do everything possible to try and get Civ to run on one of my laptops

That's what forums are for aren't they - helping each other out, right?...

For those of you who have it up and running - congrats and enjoy.
 
yeah sounds like he tried it..... i havent bought the game yet becasue i have Intel Integrated too... which chipset do you have that isnt working? i have intel 9xx.. im pretty srue it wont work.

now about solutions... may not be economical... but how feasible is it to replace graphics cards in lap tops?
 
Next time don't get intel. I'm here to help you all realize how much you have been screwed by intel and nobody else. That "extreme graphics" thing doesn't support TnL feature that is supported my 2001 Geforce 2 GTS.
 
Yeah, it's a shame that people who buy laptops are often screwed by laptops manufacturers who deny them decent graphics solutions. A 6 year old computer could probably run this game but not a modern-day laptop.
 
yeah, if you haven't bought it yet, you may want to wait...

i figured i was going to get it regardless just to try my luck, and i also didn't want to miss out on the Collecter's edition ... i'm gonna play this eventually whether i can get it to play on my laptop or on a future PC...
 
Yeah that really did suck with the whole T&L thing, I was completley blind sided, and being on the front lines Thursday morning at 10am I was very dissappointed to just load it up and see this problem. I don't even get text on the main screen, not sure what that means. Either way, just really blew do have this happen, now I remember why I like PS2 b/c you never have these problems, you just buy things and they work.

Oh well. Such is life.
 
gunnerxtr said:
yeah sounds like he tried it..... i havent bought the game yet becasue i have Intel Integrated too... which chipset do you have that isnt working? i have intel 9xx.. im pretty srue it wont work.

now about solutions... may not be economical... but how feasible is it to replace graphics cards in lap tops?
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I have 9xx also, it works fine on my laptop. OK not "fine", the movies don't play, but the graphics are good and there is no cheshire cat. No movies is better than nothing.
 
Dell Inspiron 2200
Intel Celeron M Processor, 1.40 GHz
504 MB RAM

Graphics Capabilities: Mobile Intel 915GM/GMS, 910 GML Express Chipset Family

The 9xx has SOFTWARE T&L, which I guess is an OK sub for hardware T&L.

Also, if you do get the game, make SURE you install their version of DirectX 9.0c, even if you already have DirectX 9.0c. Lots of people been having probs with that.
 
gunnerxtr said:
yeah sounds like he tried it..... i havent bought the game yet becasue i have Intel Integrated too... which chipset do you have that isnt working? i have intel 9xx.. im pretty srue it wont work.

now about solutions... may not be economical... but how feasible is it to replace graphics cards in lap tops?
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check addict's post on the chip set. i think intl 9xx will work. i have/had 8xxx and it did not. so...i shelled out for an nvid. i don't get chesire cat now. so...the vid card seemed to be it for me.

that said, i still have choppy and slow game play. awful. it's unplayable. now i'm out $120 on a crap-ass game i can't play.

though, being close to halloween, i will be haunted by disembodied eyes and teeth floating in space. creepy!
 
i have an 8xxx intel chip and modified the XML file like I was told in a previous thread and I am able to play it fine, granted the whole map shows. That's not a big deal for me anyways because I majorily only play on the Earth map.

I also get flawless videos (even before the modified XML file)

Edit: I have pentium M 1.6 ghz and 1.25 gb of RAM
 
Carver said:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=140859

Try this thread on Apolyton. It made things slightly better for me, but still a sea of blackness. Oh well, I'm about 5 hours into a game anyway. It might do better for you.
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Please forgive my ignorance, but I assume ATI is a brand of card? I'm sure I can also safely assume this will not work for those of us cursed with the Intel 855SH*T series cards?
 
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