The science of death.

[skadistic]

So as not to continue thread jacking. What happens when you die? I don't want religious dogmas I want the real facts of what happens when you die.


From what I gather:

1) blood stops flowing
2) Oxygen stops being delivered
3) Bioelectric impulses stop (this is the part that encompasses thought)
4) cells start to die
5) blood pools on the bottom
6) rigamortis sets in
7) bowels and bladder relax
8) Skin shrinks do to dehydration
9) Insects lay eggs
10) larva and bactiria begin breaking down the corpse
11) soft tissue is consumed leaving only bone ,hair, and ,maybe leathery skin.

Since there is only the electrical impulses that make up our personality and thoughts and memories when thoes synapses stop fiering thats it no more thought no soul no afterlife.

Now if you can correct any of that with backed scientific evidence please do so.



edited #6 from riger to rigamortis

 

[CaptainF]

I'd say thats just about right.

One could say however, that you are returning to the earth from whence you came. Would that be religious? I wouldn't think so.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

good idea skadistic, i had just realized that we had started spamming too

but that is what happens to your BODY, who knows what happens to your mind (i dont mean your physical brain, i mean the mind) or the soul

 

[GenMarshall]

You forgot rigamortious (spelling)

 

[skadistic]

good idea skadistic, i had just realized that we had started spamming too

but that is what happens to your BODY, who knows what happens to your mind (i dont mean your physical brain, i mean the mind) or the soul

See part 3
Since there is only the electrical impulses that make up our personality and thoughts and memories when thoes synapses stop fiering thats it no more thought no soul no afterlife.

Your "mind" is the bio-chemical and bi-electric impulses. Its not as aww insipering as some invisible soul thingy but it is what it is. In all you are just a very complex computer. Can your mind be "read" after death like a hard drive after a mother board getting fried? Hell if I know but thats an expariment worth conducting if it isn't being done already.

 

[skadistic]

You forgot rigamortious (spelling)

#6 I didn't know how to spell it either so I just put riger I'll correct that now.

 

[Kyriakos]

but that is what happens to your BODY, who knows what happens to your mind (i dont mean your physical brain, i mean the mind) or the soul

This is a very idealistic concept, that of 'the empty shell'
However it is already known from neuropsychology that even if tiny parts of the brain are injured, the 'mind' malfunctions. For example an injury in the (iirc) lower part of your forehead (it is much more precise ofcourse, i am giving a general example) could disable you from using any word that means movement (eg run, walk, fly etc). There are people who have problems like that, and those problems unfortunately for them are here to stay atm.

What amazes me, though, is that an organ as vastly complicated like the human brain (and this is true for any human brain, even of the people with the lowest IQ) can die, after only a few insignificant decades. Seems such a waste. However perhaps the death of a brain has some cosmic singificance in some way, since one has to assume that due to its bioelectrical (which are just the translations of the thought processes in a material plane) phenomena it is also generating huge amounts of energy. Energy is a force, so the death of an energy source could have some effect in the world, but i am not aware of serious (ie non metaphysical) studies about such a thing.

Unfortunately i find it very unlikely that death itself will result in a new phase of existence. For such a thing to have been possible the brain would have to be functioning as a sort of program, whereas the EGO would be the entire Computer, and so when one program ended another one could begin (atm it seems more probable that the EGO is a hardcoded concept inside the program, and the program exists by its own, due to older loops and variations and complications inside the loops). But such a possibility would involve very complicated inter-relationships between the individual and the exterior world, which might only be ficticious. Still it is a question which hasnt yet been answered, that about what happens after you die. Personally i find also the question of what happens as you die equally fascinating, since we have no sense of an end of consciousness, and yet we appear to be bound to experience it, at the time of our death, irregardless of what may or may not happen after it (and even more in the case that nothing happens after it)

 

[Mr. Dictator]

ska, im not saying your wrong or anything about the thoughts being electron impulses but show me how that proves you dont have a soul

how do we not know our "soul" is sort of the user of the computer of our mind

before you think thats just pot logic, i dont think that im just saying we have NO idea

 

[skadistic]

Define a soul. Where is it? What is its porpuse? Who discovered it?

 

[Mr. Dictator]

it is abstract, it cant be proven or disproven

 

[skadistic]

it is abstract, it cant be proven or disproven

Love is abstact. Souls are imaginary. Anything that exsists can be proven.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

prove love exists

prove a soul doesnt, its hard without admitting that maybe, just maybe, our science right now can not nearly comprehend the higher functions of life

your cheapening life by just saying were basically an accident, a proverbial protein stain on the universe that only fades away

personally i believe life is a bit more

 

[warpus]

Define a soul. Where is it? What is its porpuse? Who discovered it?

James Brown discovered soul.

 

[warpus]

your cheapening life by just saying were basically an accident, a proverbial protein stain on the universe that only fades away

personally i believe life is a bit more

It might seem crappy, but that's what we've got, so let's make the best of it.

 

[Kyriakos]

There is a great deal more than just the consciousness one has of his own self, and his organised ways of thinking in the foreground of consciousness. However there is nothing at all to suggest that the mental goings-on in the mind are not at the same time the result of the material goings-on in the brain. The brain is made of a huge number of cells, which are connected by neurons. Each time you make a basic thought in reality you are working on top of an astronomical number of neuron connections. Each sentence you think is broken to an astronomical number of connections, on top of which it is surfacing in the level of immediate consciousness. Surely we are aware of only a very small part of our own mind, but this does not at all mean that the mind itselfis independant of our body.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

yes i make the best of it, dont think im one of those who believes we cant have fun on earth, i believe that if there is a god he wouldnt put us through hell just to get to heaven

i also think that seeing life as just a quick thrill is cheapening life, no way around it

 

[Birdjaguar]

Love is abstact. Souls are imaginary. Anything that exsists can be proven.

For some reason you seem to think that we have reached the end of what is to be known. 500 years ago atoms and molecules "didn't exist". 100 years ago quarks and leptons "didn't exist".

The best you can do with your scientific approach is to say that at the current time we have not identified any other states of being that survive death. Lots of things cannot be proven now. Some we will prove later, some not. You seem to be betting that what we know now is the pinnacle of what we will know. It's a sucker's bet. I have 500 gpt that says you are wrong.

 

[Perfection]

Well it depends a lot on circumstances.

Sure the above is a commone route to death, but there's quite a few others.

Among my favorites:
0. Nothing, just ordinary everyday life
1. Turned into vapor of constituent atoms by nuclear explosion

 

[Birdjaguar]

Well it depends a lot on circumstances.

Sure the above is a commone route to death, but there's quite a few others.

Among my favorites:
0. Nothing, just ordinary everyday life
1. Turned into vapor of constituent atoms by nuclear explosion

Just a realignment of quarks and leptons by different methods.

 

[warpus]

i also think that seeing life as just a quick thrill is cheapening life, no way around it

I agree - I never claimed such a thing.