Kraznaya
Princeps
Because it is... the movie was mostly a mass free will push tho.
The threat of the copycat killer...
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Because it is... the movie was mostly a mass free will push tho.
Fugitive Sisyphus
Escape Artist
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MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
I am sure Cho's parents appreciate your labeling of them as 'whacko's'.
Would you feel this way if it were a child of yours that did this?
I dont think you able to comprehend the horror of having a child do this. Becaue it could happen to you and yours just like it happens to anyone else.
DYNAMICS
Chief Engineer
I don’t think you amateurs understand the social and economical reasons why some people lash out at society, we all want to play the blame game and right of the lunatic as mad, sub human, scum..ect. this is not healthy and let me tell you why.
Long before the numerous high school shooting and mass murderers in the United States and else where, the social dynamics and social reasoning have changed massively, going back as far as the 1960’s. If the Korean kid was out going and very popular with his male and female peers he would of never of been the killer maybe one of the victims that got shot, but never the killer. It’s hard to put your self in his shoes as the social pressures and demanding studies take their toll on the human mind. I would like to add that if a young male studying engineering does not get ***** on a regular bases the mind starts to undergo dynamical changes that result ultimately in wanting to end his current state of misery and poor social contact with the opposite sex. No lie and enuff men know what I mean and those that study hard but don’t play hard, it’s like a sex tax and if you don’t pay it you wont play. It’s not unreasonable to state such a thing, as we all have been babies and then young men up to the day we die, it’s a common fact and no man can deny it.
Let me tell of the number of times I have had grown arse men that have turned up to my yard with tears running down their face. All wanting to talk about their current hell and how they wish to improve their love lives without compromising their manhood. One brother turned up at my yard just sat their and said nothing, just a deep sign of relief to know he has a fellow man to talk too. Other times they would lash out and go berserk, tearing down their own place just to let out the frustrations of modern life. These men are stockbrokers, bankers, students, civil engineers, and doctors. Do these guys fall under the common diagnoses of mentally deranged and outcasts? Because if we can talk about the truth for a minute and address the problem facing our young men in these intuitions and social problems that effect the working class and poor people. As god is my witness rich kids suffer the most as a lack of hardship and common house training is not given, since their parents believe that money will solve anything and that they will never have to face the common poverty of the western economical structure, and the other reason is because he live in a hierarchical society no doubt.
My man was looking for somewhere to sit to have his lunch, saw the book and me and put his ugly arse right next to me. During small talk he commented on the book and started to tell me about Native Americans in Canada or his and other white people's views. The impression he attempted to portray was that Native American males were worthless, alcoholics, drug taking woman beaters and pathetic. He told me about how they love to sniff petrol or any type of chemical to give them a cheap buzz and I can go on about their families are in a mess etc etc.
In fact this Canadian could have been any one of thousands of white academics or so called experts talking about black people in many parts of the world if you read their sh*t or listen to what they have to say. I finished my lunch and politely went to my next scheduled seminar. I waste no time with fools or clear racists or sexists regardless of what qualifications they hold or do not hold. Time to catch a bus.
My friend's professor yesterday who has serious expertise in the area of Native American Indians, unlike my man who was an expert in white Canadian gangs and crime said this. You cannot understand the family and other social problems, which Native Americans experience outside the context of racial oppression and how that has attacked the basis of their social order and family and impacts on gender relations.
She was telling me about the mental health problems, alcoholism and all the destructive behaviors which social scientists and intelligent people will know without blinking is a direct cause of the structural and cultural and other oppressions these people experience.
By comparison, she said that many of the Native communities in the US who have money and doing serious business eg owning Casinos etc do not have these problems, even when they did have and is quickly reducing in size and scale. In fact the key issues or difference she noted was ECONOMIC POWER. Followed by cultural and political power, which had a very powerful impact on man and woman relationships and the family. Oh by the way some critics have criticised the Native American Indians for selling their souls for money. I say go and say that to their children or women not having the sh*t beaten out of them by men who have lost their self respect and betrayed their ancestors notions of masculinity and warriorship.
When society makes changes people get left behind no doubt about that and immigrants and colored people are the least able to respond to change. In the workforce white men just get retrained and reabsorbed, paid off or find another job. I don’t like the sensationalist media and how they like to toy with human emotions and call for the most observed and ridiculous rulings. Bar in mind those other humans that don’t experience poverty and physiological hardships can’t relate to the man who basically wanted to be heard, and maybe all he wanted was a hug? But nothing we can do know expect try and make sure future students that wonder alone are approached, helped and given a chance to experience human companionship and social boding.
Long before the numerous high school shooting and mass murderers in the United States and else where, the social dynamics and social reasoning have changed massively, going back as far as the 1960’s. If the Korean kid was out going and very popular with his male and female peers he would of never of been the killer maybe one of the victims that got shot, but never the killer. It’s hard to put your self in his shoes as the social pressures and demanding studies take their toll on the human mind. I would like to add that if a young male studying engineering does not get ***** on a regular bases the mind starts to undergo dynamical changes that result ultimately in wanting to end his current state of misery and poor social contact with the opposite sex. No lie and enuff men know what I mean and those that study hard but don’t play hard, it’s like a sex tax and if you don’t pay it you wont play. It’s not unreasonable to state such a thing, as we all have been babies and then young men up to the day we die, it’s a common fact and no man can deny it.
Let me tell of the number of times I have had grown arse men that have turned up to my yard with tears running down their face. All wanting to talk about their current hell and how they wish to improve their love lives without compromising their manhood. One brother turned up at my yard just sat their and said nothing, just a deep sign of relief to know he has a fellow man to talk too. Other times they would lash out and go berserk, tearing down their own place just to let out the frustrations of modern life. These men are stockbrokers, bankers, students, civil engineers, and doctors. Do these guys fall under the common diagnoses of mentally deranged and outcasts? Because if we can talk about the truth for a minute and address the problem facing our young men in these intuitions and social problems that effect the working class and poor people. As god is my witness rich kids suffer the most as a lack of hardship and common house training is not given, since their parents believe that money will solve anything and that they will never have to face the common poverty of the western economical structure, and the other reason is because he live in a hierarchical society no doubt.
My man was looking for somewhere to sit to have his lunch, saw the book and me and put his ugly arse right next to me. During small talk he commented on the book and started to tell me about Native Americans in Canada or his and other white people's views. The impression he attempted to portray was that Native American males were worthless, alcoholics, drug taking woman beaters and pathetic. He told me about how they love to sniff petrol or any type of chemical to give them a cheap buzz and I can go on about their families are in a mess etc etc.
In fact this Canadian could have been any one of thousands of white academics or so called experts talking about black people in many parts of the world if you read their sh*t or listen to what they have to say. I finished my lunch and politely went to my next scheduled seminar. I waste no time with fools or clear racists or sexists regardless of what qualifications they hold or do not hold. Time to catch a bus.
My friend's professor yesterday who has serious expertise in the area of Native American Indians, unlike my man who was an expert in white Canadian gangs and crime said this. You cannot understand the family and other social problems, which Native Americans experience outside the context of racial oppression and how that has attacked the basis of their social order and family and impacts on gender relations.
She was telling me about the mental health problems, alcoholism and all the destructive behaviors which social scientists and intelligent people will know without blinking is a direct cause of the structural and cultural and other oppressions these people experience.
By comparison, she said that many of the Native communities in the US who have money and doing serious business eg owning Casinos etc do not have these problems, even when they did have and is quickly reducing in size and scale. In fact the key issues or difference she noted was ECONOMIC POWER. Followed by cultural and political power, which had a very powerful impact on man and woman relationships and the family. Oh by the way some critics have criticised the Native American Indians for selling their souls for money. I say go and say that to their children or women not having the sh*t beaten out of them by men who have lost their self respect and betrayed their ancestors notions of masculinity and warriorship.
When society makes changes people get left behind no doubt about that and immigrants and colored people are the least able to respond to change. In the workforce white men just get retrained and reabsorbed, paid off or find another job. I don’t like the sensationalist media and how they like to toy with human emotions and call for the most observed and ridiculous rulings. Bar in mind those other humans that don’t experience poverty and physiological hardships can’t relate to the man who basically wanted to be heard, and maybe all he wanted was a hug? But nothing we can do know expect try and make sure future students that wonder alone are approached, helped and given a chance to experience human companionship and social boding.
I know many fingers have been pointed at things like guns and video games, but let me add my blame to the list.
I think the media is the cause of much of the violence that happens on campus, and it all really began with the Columbine shootings. Because of the reportings and the fear-mongerings, people desperate for attention even to death get their final wishes, and we honor them. Why can't we erase an offender's name, and make it a shame to speak? No, we have to glamorize it, and post his sick poetry all over the internet. Why can't people realize that school shooters are not Satan-incarnate, Hitler-reborn, or any other number of fearful titles. That kid was just another punk, and there are millions who have the very same murderous thoughts he had but haven't acted on them.
The media has fanned the flames of death, and I think MSNBC should have burned the package they recieved after watching it, instead of honoring the sick killer's memory with his "manifesto"
I think the media is the cause of much of the violence that happens on campus, and it all really began with the Columbine shootings. Because of the reportings and the fear-mongerings, people desperate for attention even to death get their final wishes, and we honor them. Why can't we erase an offender's name, and make it a shame to speak? No, we have to glamorize it, and post his sick poetry all over the internet. Why can't people realize that school shooters are not Satan-incarnate, Hitler-reborn, or any other number of fearful titles. That kid was just another punk, and there are millions who have the very same murderous thoughts he had but haven't acted on them.
The media has fanned the flames of death, and I think MSNBC should have burned the package they recieved after watching it, instead of honoring the sick killer's memory with his "manifesto"
Perfection
The Great Head.
Well, the thing is Cho was a copycat killer, or at least one inspired. i do wonder if this kid woulda had the same idea had Columbine not have happened.
DYNAMICS
Chief Engineer
Perfection your right that other people in a jam may want to end their misery my copying other social outcast and the methodology they employed. But one has to wonder, what if the Korean kid had sociological training and methods in dealing with people, rather than a psychologist diagnosing him with a disease.
Fugitive Sisyphus
Escape Artist
Where did I say Cho's parents were 'wackos'? I would be pretty upset if my child did this but what does that have to do with anything?
Kraznaya
Princeps
We can't possibly educate everyone in sociology.
btw: please don't bold/enlarge your text, its annoying to read.
btw: please don't bold/enlarge your text, its annoying to read.
Perfection
The Great Head.
DYNAMICS, How exactly should this "sociological training" be put together? I don't think we can can prevent some people from being total nutbags.Perfection your right that other people in a jam may want to end their misery my copying other social outcast and the methodology they employed. But one has to wonder, what if the Korean kid had sociological training and methods in dealing with people, rather than a psychologist diagnosing him with a disease.
Shaihulud
Deity
It doesn't glamorise him at all, i hope any futhure potential kilers would look at how dumb you are made to look and stop their plans, and if anyone would take his example and imitate his methods, forwarned is forearmed. We can only hope that precautions are taken. There are always mentally instable people around, it would be wasteful to try and treat all of them, most of them grows up to become perfectly normal people.
boarder
King
Whats with the big fonts, are you all blind? Your point isnt made any more clearer just because you use big fonts you know.
But ot...yea i was kind of thinking along those lines when i saw the vids, that it glamourised him, but i also understand the need for some people to see them, its a tricky one, but obviously the media is doing it for ratings, but thats ok thats what they are for, being a business and all.
And hopefully like Shaihulud says it wont glamourise him but i have a feeling that in some peoples minds it does exactly that.
But ot...yea i was kind of thinking along those lines when i saw the vids, that it glamourised him, but i also understand the need for some people to see them, its a tricky one, but obviously the media is doing it for ratings, but thats ok thats what they are for, being a business and all.
And hopefully like Shaihulud says it wont glamourise him but i have a feeling that in some peoples minds it does exactly that.
Prince_Imrahil
King
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Boo hoo so what? Awww so no one wuvved psycho boy its their fault he went pyscho? Please. Because natives and blacks have bad econoic situations its not their fault for their actions? 'Cause no one listens to the dip*!%^ who wants to be heard its their fault for when he goes whack? Please.
DYNAMICS
Chief Engineer
My font size was not as big as that! Second sociology subjects should be made compulsory and perquisite requirement to go to university. In those seminars they should teach the males what is acceptable as male behavior and the females what is accepted as female behavior, then we won't have any mixed up kids. Ironically the kid's from Korea, and yet the crime rate in Seoul is almost 0%, makes you wonder huh?
Chandrasekhar
Determined
My font size was not as big as that! Second sociology subjects should be made compulsory and perquisite requirement to go to university. In those seminars they should teach the males what is acceptable as male behavior and the females what is accepted as female behavior, then we won't have any mixed up kids. Ironically the kid's from Korea, and yet the crime rate in Seoul is almost 0%, makes you wonder huh?
What, they're outsourcing their psychos?
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
See, you're a reasonable person. You understand that what he did was horrible, stupid, and wrong. The next guy that will do this is not a reasonable person, and he doesn't know that it's horrible, stupid, and wrong - or at least he doesn't care. This guy saw the way other killers were presented in the past, it's not like he didn't know what he was getting into. It's not about whether you look like a jackass on national broadcast... it's whether you're on national broadcast.
Think maybe he was making a point?
Ironically the kid's from Korea, and yet the crime rate in Seoul is almost 0%, makes you wonder huh?
I need some help here, guys. I know there's gotta be something that's even more irrelevant, but I just can't think of what it is...
Tank_Guy#3
Lion of Lehistan
My opinion is, the copycat killers are the reason guns aren't the problem. It's the few psychopaths behind the gun.