The White Hand as a 'real' religion

[dyvim]

Drifa shouldn't be a religious hero because he (she?) is only available to the Illians. MaybeFiacra the North Wind (the bird in AoI) can be interesting, though...

And why not make Drifa available for all who follow the WH?

 

[1234567890]

I have to disagree... for me only Ilians should benefit for a +1 food in Icy terrain

That's because the temples will spread ice in your empire. You need a small bonus if you want to survive.

Sounds great and not too difficult to code

I'm not sure a religion can be tied to a ritual or a wonder...

It's probably not too difficult to code, too. In Warhammer, when you are the first to build a Temple of a religion, you found it.

Mokka is a barbarian, isn't he?
First hero to be able to resurrect,no? What if several people follow the White hand?

I mean, you can get him (if you are the first to build him), like any other hero. If he has already spawned (by the Samhain ritual), it will convert him (not too hard to code...)

Why? Do you really think Demons don't like cold?

Imagine you are the Infernal... You would like to see beautiful burned lands, with hellish terrain, nightmare, fields of perdition, etc... And not that horrible white snow...

I suppose it shouldn't give you a penalty if the leader is following White Hand too
Why the Doviello? Are they tied to Mulcarn too? I don't think so.

Yea, it works like a 'normal' religion, but you get an additional diplo bonus with the Illians. The Doviello were worshipping Mulcarn in AoI, but you are right, it's too complicated...

Sounds not too logical for me... stay to the standard bonus is better for me. (balance^^)

Every religious wonder gives you a 'special' bonus. Nox Noctis = invisible, etc... I just want to make frostlings available to normal civs... Remember, the frostlings get +1 Cold combat, so the new units will be stronger thanks to this wonder.

I thought there was only one god slayer...

There is only 1 Godslayer. I mean, you will never recieve it if you worship the WH.

Why? I don't see the point...

That's because the WH doesn't encourage creativity... Their priests are heartless... So it shouldn't bring additional ...Maybe instead, or ...

Needs a bit of balance I think...

Yea, but you can just pick some bonuses and penalties, not all of them...

 

[dyvim]

That's because the temples will spread ice in your empire. You need a small bonus if you want to survive.

Well if you're not an Ilian and still want to follow Mulcarn, I don't think you deserve a bonus

It's probably not too difficult to code, too. In Warhammer, when you are the first to build a Temple of a religion, you found it.

Then it's OK

I mean, you can get him (if you are the first to build him), like any other hero. If he has already spawned (by the Samhain ritual), it will convert him (not too hard to code...)

Not too hard... Perhaps the code for Brigit can be used...
Does he really desserve to be resurrected if he has already been slain?

Imagine you are the Infernal... You would like to see beautiful burned lands, with hellish terrain, nightmare, fields of perdition, etc... And not that horrible white snow...

I think the fact that snow protects you from hell terrain is sufficient.

Yea, it works like a 'normal' religion, but you get an additional diplo bonus with the Illians. The Doviello were worshipping Mulcarn in AoI, but you are right, it's too complicated...

I think you'll automaticaly get this bonus with Ilians as they must follow the WH... if you have the same religion, they will be your friends. Same for all the followers of the WH

Every religious wonder gives you a 'special' bonus. Nox Noctis = invisible, etc... I just want to make frostlings available to normal civs... Remember, the frostlings get +1 Cold combat, so the new units will be stronger thanks to this wonder.

+1 cold combat is a bit powerfull comparing to the other bonus, don't you think?

That's because the WH doesn't encourage creativity... Their priests are heartless... So it shouldn't bring additional ...Maybe instead, or ...

If it "doesn't encourage creativity", I can't see how it could give a bonus
Culture seems good for me, as it s for almost every religion even a religion including human sacrifices.

 

[Valkrionn]

Of course if we follow FFh... Except i'm not sure it's a so good idea...
Imagine you won a "holy crusade" against Ilians... why can't you convert them to your religion?

Illians would never convert, as their leader is the avatar of their religion. They would sooner die.

I have to disagree... for me only Ilians should benefit for a +1 food in Icy terrain

I would tend to agree, so long as other WH civs are not able to convert their terrain. If they can, then the food is necessary to offset the Ice.

I'm not sure a religion can be tied to a ritual or a wonder...

Actually this one would be easy. I'm not sure if you can found it in the same way researching a tech will, but if nothing else you can have a ritual that will spawn a Disciple of Mulcarn, and use him to found the religion.

Mokka is a barbarian, isn't he?
First hero to be able to resurrect,no? What if several people follow the White hand?

By resurrect, I believe he meant that if the Barb version of Mokka had alread died, he would then be able to be built.

Why? Do you really think Demons don't like cold?

Seeing as the first layer of hell is Mulcarn's realm, I think it reasonable that Demons would be at least used to the cold, as they've all passed through it.

I suppose it shouldn't give you a penalty if the leader is following White Hand too
Why the Doviello? Are they tied to Mulcarn too? I don't think so.

The Doviello served the Illians in the Age of Ice, so I would assume they are tied to Mulcarn, if not as strongly.

Sounds not too logical for me... stay to the "standard" bonus is better for me. (balance^^)

Would be okay if it was a wonder along the lines of the Tower of Complacency, and not the holy city wonder.

every civ with this state religion? A bit powerfull for the ilians, no?

Agreed.

I thought there was only one god slayer...

Yes, but the god slayer is handed out to the highest in score, or second if the Illians are at the top. This would prevent a friendly civ from getting it.

 

[1234567890]

every civ with this state religion? A bit powerfull for the ilians, no?

Well, if the Illians have Auric Ascended and you don't have the Godslayer, you are screwed (unless it's apocalypse and you are using worldbreak as the sheaim). So it would be fair to start at least a golden age (and I think it's not enough).

+1 cold combat is a bit powerfull comparing to the other bonus, don't you think?

Only one unit out of 3... And it's a wonder after all.

If it "doesn't encourage creativity", I can't see how it could give a bonus
Culture seems good for me, as it s for almost every religion even a religion including human sacrifices.

Ok.

 

[Valkrionn]

That's because the WH doesn't encourage creativity... Their priests are heartless... So it shouldn't bring additional ...Maybe instead, or ...

. The inscription event for the Monuments has a unique result for Illians that grants it 1

 

[1234567890]

When you complete the Samhain ritual, many frostlings and frostling lairs are spawned. If you have the Barbarian Trait, you can hire a frostling (it will cost 25 or something) in the frostling lair... Is it hard to code?

 

[Valkrionn]

When you complete the Samhain ritual, many frostlings and frostling lairs are spawned. If you have the Barbarian Trait, you can hire a frostling (it will cost 25 or something) in the frostling lair... Is it hard to code?

Actually it would be relatively simple. You just have to steal the code from goblin forts, and change the spawned unit.

 

[1234567890]

Do you like the idea? Should I make a poll?

 

[Valkrionn]

For the most part, yes. The only things I didn't much care for are balance issues, really, and would be solved by the time it was implemented.

 

[armyofwhispers]

That's true, but what is also true is that Auric is not a god until ascended. He is Mulcarn's human-form reincarnation and does not possess a god-like power of being able to freeze you if you don't worship him and still freeze you if you do. The White Hand worships Mulcarn, but until they actually ascend Auric back to godhood, they are worshipping a dead god or at the very least, a human with some strange affinity to magic.

From what I've read in other threads Auric is most definitely not Mulcarn. When Mulcarn died, he left the ice aspect unoccupied, and Auric has risen to take his place. Auric ascending is the final step of taking over the mantel of god of ice.

 

[Valkrionn]

Yep. I believe he is the only one capable of ascending atm... Were he to be killed, the sphere would choose someone new.

 

[1234567890]

I thought Auric was a weakened avatar (or embodiement) of Mulcarn...

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Possibly, but it is also possible that ascension would be impossible without first inhaling the breath of the dead god, and that there is no more of Mulcarn's breath left in Erebus after Auric extracted it all from Barnaxus (assuming he did take it all and not just a small part).

The next pretender to the precept would need immortal blood first too, probably from Hyborem, Basium, or Brigit.

 

[Valkrionn]

No, when Mulcarn was destroyed by the Godslayer it was permanent. The precept does have a large influence on Auric though.