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[Mondas]

[/QUOTE]1. I e-mailed a copy of your accusation to him because I don't know if he frequents CFC.[/QUOTE]

I have had a chance to look at it and it seems like it is a reworking of a scenario I had made just little over a year ago just on a grander scale. the cities and layout seem to match. To much to just seem like a coincidence.

[/QUOTE]3. For him to plagiarize your work, yours has to be available for downloading . I could not locate anything of yours either at CFC, Apolyton or any of the other sources of Civ2 downloads. Perhaps you could indicate where one can find it.[/QUOTE]

If you can't see my scenarios in CivFanatics then I have to say you are not trying very hard to look. Look in the Industrial section.

[/QUOTE]4. I did a quick check of your posts at CFC. I found your recent statement that somewhat surprising in view of the sophisticated EVENTS file in How Few Remain. This, and other questions you have posted, suggest to me that you have a hell of a lot to learn before you even begin to comprehend what is involved in making a first class, original scenario.[/QUOTE]

If you read my posts carefully then you would see that I can get events to work but for some reason I couldn't get them to work again. And that was what my posts were about concerning events. ANd Granted, Events make a scenario a much better games, but just because events are added doesn't make it alright to take an idea from someone after hard work was put into it. But I can under stand. He may have read the book and wanted to make a scenario or he may have played mine and said to himself I can make this better. I don't know. I will say that maybe my choice of words were inappropiate but the sentiment remains the same. After all how many world war two scenarios are there? I'm just saying that the layout looks suspiciously simular.

[/QUOTE]5. Plagiarism is a form of cheating. Any form of cheating has always been viewed with great disfavour by the Civ community. There are a number of threads at CFC from past years that deal with multi-player games where a participant has been accused of cheating. Invariably, before another player made the accusation, he had irrefutable proof.[/QUOTE]

True: Plagiarism is a form of cheating and I have been Plagerized before. And when two people take an idea from a book for a scenario that is in itself a form of Plagiarism. But when the second scenario is nearly the same layout as the first then something isn't kosher. ANd it is, just on a larger scale. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then you can guess what it is.

[/QUOTE]I believe you owe the Civ community an explanation of your accusation. In other words, put up or shut up.[/QUOTE]

Well,,, since I don't shut up very well I guess I will have to put up.

ANd let's face facts AGRICOLA, you are given credit in his game as playtester. I wonder if you would have even responded if you were not mentioned.

 

[Harry Tuttle]

Mondas, what was your scenario called and where did you get the map from?

EDIT:
"If you can't see my scenarios in CivFanatics then I have to say you are not trying very hard to look. Look in the Industrial section."

- And what scenario are you referring to? I just looked in the Industrial section and there are no scenarios with Mondas as an author.

 

[AGRICOLA]

Its a trilogy, the first of which is How Few Remain. Industrial section, CFC downloads, authored by Timothy Fowlkes.

I had no luck finding it by searching on Mondas.

 

[Mondas]

Timothy Fowlkes is me.

 

[Harry Tuttle]

I have had a chance to look at it and it seems like it is a reworking of a scenario I had made just little over a year ago just on a grander scale. the cities and layout seem to match. To much to just seem like a coincidence.

Yes, Our_Man's work is also a scenario on the events of "How Few Remain" by Harry Turtledove.

I'm just saying that the layout looks suspiciously simular.

Considering all the books feature maps with major cities at the start of the novels I find it not surprising at all the cities are similar. In fact BECAUSE both scenarios are based on the books I would find that an important part of accurately depicting the events in the book.

And when two people take an idea from a book for a scenario that is in itself a form of Plagiarism. But when the second scenario is nearly the same layout as the first then something isn't kosher. ANd it is, just on a larger scale. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then you can guess what it is.

No, it is not plagiarism. Plagiarism is:

1) The act of plagiarizing; taking someone's words or ideas as if they were your own.
2) A piece of writing that has been copied from someone else and is presented as being your own work.

Since the author, Harry Turtledove, is credited I would have to say that none of his ideas have been taken by you or Our_Man and claimed as your own.

ANd let's face facts AGRICOLA, you are given credit in his game as playtester. I wonder if you would have even responded if you were not mentioned.

Well champ, seeing as Agricola probably took offense to your little comment I'm surprised he didn't broadcast your ineptitude to the whole community.

You claim that Our_Man has used your city placement. Really? I checked your scenarios with Our_Man's. Neither share the same map, in fact, they are both completely different depictions of North America. Yes, they share some city placement, in relation to the wildly different maps, but that's because the cities are REAL and are represented in the books. Where else would he put them? How do you carry over city placement to a completely new map?

Even the graphics do not match! Not even close! You didn't take the time to work on anything.

You claim the similarities are to much to be a coincidence? Well duh, both scenarios are based on the same exact book.

So how exactly did Our_Man take credit for your work? Are you Harry Turtledove? Do you have a copyright on his work? Has Our_Man asked for money for his work?

You know, it's jerks like you who create an environment that suppresses creativity. Without any evidence, without any pretense, you make the comment that Our_Man has stolen your work. Get a clue kid. You do not own the rights to an interpretation of a book.

Our_Man and Agricola are owed an apology, you need to learn some manners, and how to respect other peoples work.

 

[Mondas]

Quote = You know, it's jerks like you who create an environment that suppresses creativity. Without any evidence, without any pretense, you make the comment that Our_Man has stolen your work. Get a clue kid. You do not own the rights to an interpretation of a book.

I been called worse and by a lot better than you. In case you didn't leaqrn to read correctly in school I will dumb down what I said that you seem to have over looked. I did conceed that my words were ill chosen and apologised for that. But when you are blind I guess you can't see.
I said it appeared to be the same but on a larger scale. So saying it's not the same map really isn't an obvious point considering I had already said basically the same thing.
About 3 weeks ago I submitted the updated version of the scenario and when it's finally posted download it and see for yourself if what is say is unwarranted. WHen you see the updated version which was submitted before I saw this post, perhap your opinion may change. perhaps it may not. But seeing that thunderfall has received about 20 emails with updated and new scenarios concerning the How Few Remain storyline it may take some time. But if you are willing to wait on Thunderfall, I would be glad to continue this discusion. But I also said which you seemed to have overlooked was that I also said that maybe he played mine and decided to make it better or maybe he decided all on his own. You failed to point that out.
As far as surpressing creativity, well I wasn't aware I said he had to remove it or stop making scenarios on books he likes. There was once a group of people that liked to put words in other people's mouths but Senator Marcarthy is no longer around, and we no longer have witch trials. And if calling people jerks is the best you can do I suggest you seek professional help.

AS far as our_man is concerned I do apologise to him for my hasty words. I could have a chosen better way of expressing my concerns but as I have I have had my work blantantly stolen before and it appeared I was expirencing the same thing all over again. I would like to speak to him sometime because as I said I submitted 3 scenarios to Thunderfall continuing the storyline leading into world war 2 and I wouldn't mind if he checked them out and gave his point of view on them. He did do a good job on his scenario except with Louisville but thats another matter.

As far as Agricola is concerned, I stand by my statement. I do wonder is he/she would have made a big deal if he/she wasn't credited in our_man's scenario. Having your name listed can have be an influencing factor.

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

Take it to PM guys.

 

[Harry Tuttle]

I think this matter is settled. His reply is enough evidence.

 

[AGRICOLA]

I would like to apologize to Mondas for thinking that an accusation of plagiarism is a big deal.

 

[Mondas]

As I have stated. I have apologised for my hasty words. I could have chosen better but after having been plagiarised once before its easy to lose it when you think it is happening again

 

[Fairline]

I've played both and made the unit gfx for Our_Man's version and there simply is no way Our_Man ripped off Mondas. End of discussion.

 

[Mondas]

I've played both and made the unit gfx for Our_Man's version and there simply is no way Our_Man ripped off Mondas. End of discussion.

Theres an unbiased opinion

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

Take it to PM guys.

And now we close the thread since people can't seem to follow instructions on their own.