Thoughts after some games

Gedemo

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I'm a very old Civilization player, since Civ 2, and even a modder (personally since Civ 3, publicly since Civ 5).I had a rather negative initial reaction when I discovered Civ 7.Now that I've played the game a bit, I've taken a step back, and I'd like to share some thoughts on what I think could reconcile me with the game:

- I don't like playing with or against famous figures (Lovelace, Ibn Battuta, etc.); I miss historical leaders:Indeed, this allows us to play civs we don't know much about: Mississippians, for example, but it could definitely allow us to have civs like Harrappa, Marajoara, etc. It also allows us to have charismatic leaders whose civs are more complicated to put into the game (Xenobia, Timur, etc.). It's up to Firaxis to expand its roster, then.If only I could have a historical leader facing each civ, it would easily give me back the desire to play.

- Interface clarity issues:When I place a building, I still don't know if the yield information I see is pre- or post-construction, or how much I'm losing.I don't like the attributes interface: it doesn't automatically open to the one where I have to make a choice (economic, cultural, etc.); I have to find the one with a 1 myself, which isn't intuitive.I think these elements could easily be improved, but I don't know if they've been reported.

- It's missing many elements that one would expect to find in an initial base game (one more turn, some basic civs, rename a city, hotseat, etc.) and their future inclusion will be presented to us as additional content.I imagine this is a shift linked to the lure of profit and the evolution of players' consumption habits. It's up to me to adapt to the changing times. I've learned my lesson; when Civ8 comes out, I'll know I'll have to wait at least two years to buy it from now on.I also think Civ6 was very complete, so Civ7 seems very light.I felt cheated and will be very attentive to what will be done to improve the game.

- I don't really have a problem with changing civs between each age. I played Humankind a lot, and I must say that the sense of continuity is maintained here in a somewhat shaky way. Being ahead loses a bit of meaning, though: why be technologically or militarily ahead if you lose that edge in the next age? I also regret not being able to cheat by discovering a passage to the new continent before everyone else in Antiquity.Civic changes could also be less painful if we had more choices.

I hope the game evolves in a positive way, and in any case, my attachment to the franchise means I'll be very vigilant about how player feedback is handled.
 
I played a quick game last night.
I became overlord of a city-state and chose the "Step Pyramid Exclusive Improvement" bonus.
I couldn't find the construction requirements for this improvement anywhere (it's mentioned in the Civilopedia, but there's no useful help: does it require a specific technology? A particular terrain type?)
I had to go through all my cities to find just one where construction was possible. If I had known the constraints beforehand, I would have chosen a different bonus.
 
I've learned my lesson; when Civ8 comes out, I'll know I'll have to wait at least two years to buy it from now on.I also think Civ6 was very complete, so Civ7 seems very light.I felt cheated and will be very attentive to what will be done to improve the game.

Well I think Civ6 was quite lackluster or incomplete on release if I recall correctly, although it has been many years. It's definitely far more refined now. People also say that is true of Civ5, although I wasn't there for it and only played the end product.
Maybe Civ7 will be good in many years, maybe not, it's a bit of a gamble, I frankly find it inappropriate for them to release a game in this way (as I do with many AAA titles).
It feels like they're crowdfunding a beta version rather than releasing a full game, right?

And yes you pinpointed something important there about Civ 8, they'll continuously alienate people if they stay on this path. I personally would have bought Civ 7 on release if I knew it'd be quality on release. Now I might not ever buy it at all 🤔🤷
 

"I Can't Go Back To Civilization 6 After Civilization 7", ""A revolutionary strategy game that cements the series' legendary status", etc....

I'm probably too old. When I see all these laudatory article titles about Civ 7, I tell myself they're actually just written by geeks happy to have been chosen to review the game before everyone else. I imagine some were even paid for it. I tell myself that some haven't really played it or have never played Civ 6 or Civ 5 before.
How can we not doubt the objectivity of these reviews? In my opinion, their authors have really lost their credibility.
I understand that you might not be an expert on every game, but the Civ franchise has been around long enough to be able to find one.🤔
 
Well I think Civ6 was quite lackluster or incomplete on release if I recall correctly, although it has been many years. It's definitely far more refined now.
I think Civ 6 was quite fine upon release. It essentially had all the elements of Civ 5, bar World Congress plus districts. It does seem incomplete compared to the release of GS 3 years later though. I can't go back and play the base game at all.

Anyways I also haven't bought Civ 7 yet. It does look amazing, even more than Civ 6 which I still thought was great, with the map but many things about the playstyle turns me off.
 
Civ 6 was a remarkably clean release, yeah. It was a fully functional game, and fun to play from the get-go.

Not that Civ 7 isn't fun. It is, but often in spite of the changes, rather than because of the changes.
 
I think Civ 6 was quite fine upon release. It essentially had all the elements of Civ 5, bar World Congress plus districts. It does seem incomplete compared to the release of GS 3 years later though. I can't go back and play the base game at all.

Anyways I also haven't bought Civ 7 yet. It does look amazing, even more than Civ 6 which I still thought was great, with the map but many things about the playstyle turns me off.
Well after some months in retrospect I think I would agree.

Civ6 came with a good launch state for sure. Like it was playable. But this should be a low bar.

I think I just personally didn't like it on release because the AI felt bland, and I greatly missed the World Congress and Ideology mechanics :)
 
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