Time For Revolution

[Provolution]

Citizens

There is no a recognized and established support for a sweeping revolution in our vast empire. Representation, Bureaucracy, Serfdom, Decentralization and Organized Religion will now be the new Law for the Mongols.
We are now leaving Hereditary Rule, Bureaucracy, Tribalism, Decentralization and Paganism.

I just want to see if there is a sort of agreement for immediately researching Monotheism, following Printing Press, to enable this publicly supported civic to be timely fulfilled. Some of the players who does not see the need for organized religion, want to delay this, but I think we should get the civics in 5 or so turns, not in two batches, with two rounds of anarchies. This is also to avoid that Organized Religion is nullified, using the technology choice as an instrument.

We need one revolution, not two revolutions, and changing research to Monotheism for only two turns, is a fair thing to ask for. Some opponents to this move, knowing me from a past demogame in 2005 may associate this with doctrines. If I wanted doctrines, I would poll all five civics I wanted against another package. This time, people picked civic a lacarte.

So, be fair, and get to Monotheism as soon as we can, I beg you, please.

 

[DaveShack]

Sure, let's examine the timing to ensure we don't make a mistake.

Are there any actions in progress which would be interrupted by a period of anarchy? The key things to look for are time-dependent builds, city growth, and foreign affairs we want to conduct during that turn. I don't think there are any such hinderances, but it is wise to know for sure.

IMO we should go ahead and research Monotheism so that a switch to OR can be made at the same time as the rest of the revolution.

Further on the subject of Monotheism, one objection which might be anticipated is that we might get it for free in a peace deal. This is not really a valid objection, because once we have Monotheism it may be that we can get another more valuable tech in the peace. Theology comes to mind as a successor tech. We want to hold Monotheism a turn before any peace negotiation, otherwise the successor techs would be in the "cannot trade" category.

This actually argues for getting every cheap tech with successors that we can before negotiating peace, on the chance that it will open up access to more expensive choices.

I think we should continue the war, so this consideration on peace deals really depends on how far we're going to go. Maybe we should decide that first.

 

[Provolution]

I think we should make the revolution upon the conquest of pyramids, so people can truly freely choose between future war options and tech options.

Printing Press and Monotheism can be completed before the conquest of Berlin, so we can upon the acquisition of Pyramids, make it in 5 turns, not 10, 15 or 20 turns. Time is valuable. Let the courthouses and other builds be done first, then we can focus on wholesale on banking with our house in order.

Also, I would know more about how to run this war, knowing what kind of government I am backed by, or not backed by. This is a way to achieve consistency in our policies, and thus win in a better fashion.

 

[Conroe]

We need one revolution, not two revolutions,

Just a guess, mind you. But changing that many civics at one time will most likely result in a 2 turn anarchy anyway. Thus two revolutions might be a better way to go ... the delay in capturing Berlin being one reason ...

 

[Provolution]

I think we need to get the revolution behind us and move on for a while.
Makes planning much easier.

 

[Nobody]

also during this time for revolutions maybe we could change from the tribal goverment to one more like past demogames. The tribal aspects (cheiftan title ect) were only meant to be tempoary.

 

[DaveShack]

Sure, feel free to draft an initiative with a new government structure, and submit it to the people for approval.

 

[Provolution]

I can read and vote for a new ruleset, but I have no more energy to spare.
Just changing the civics and running a war is more than a mouthful for me.
If there were less friction, maybe, but getting through Berlin and the Revolution is the project right now.

 

[Provolution]

The best time is definately during the early days of occupying Berlin.
Our forces will be worn down, depleted. Some formations will be massacred away. We will be reeling for a couple of years, catching our breath. This is the perfect era for a revolution of 1-2 turns. Following the conquest of Berlin, I will need at least 4-5 turns to heal and pacify the city. There you have the time window.

 

[Nobody]

Sure, feel free to draft an initiative with a new government structure, and submit it to the people for approval.

lol dave i just say what i want, its people like you who do all the work.... and if you get it wrong ill moan and groan!

 

[ordinaryguy]

The turn Berlin is captured, we could change civics. Then, we wouldn't have to pay maintenance cause for all our captured cities for the turns we are in revolution.

 

[Provolution]

Ordinaryguy has an extraordinarily good point, we do not need to pay maintenance for non-productive captured cities during anarchy, that in addition to gaining all the bonuses after the anarchy.

 

[dutchfire]

also during this time for revolutions maybe we could change from the tribal goverment to one more like past demogames. The tribal aspects (cheiftan title ect) were only meant to be tempoary.

Sure, feel free to draft an initiative with a new government structure, and submit it to the people for approval.

lol dave i just say what i want, its people like you who do all the work.... and if you get it wrong ill moan and groan!

Great idea Nobody, I'll start some discussion on it.