Time Travel
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Psyringe
Scout
Nice idea - but very hard to implement. Civ4 has little memory of previous turns (some, but not much), and it's not deterministic enough to easily calculate the results of one change in a distant future.
bigphesta
Chieftain
its called "save" "reload" "compare" 
GangsterOctopus
Chieftain
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What if you stole the tech from another civ, but then you go back in time you destroy that civ. It would just be too weird.
vbraun
Raytracing
This would be immpossible to implement. How would the game know what you did in the future to display to you?
Sexton
Keeping the Books
Nide idea as said but I think it's some other game that's for this kind of modding 
Next we'll mod a dating mini-game to Doom3
Next we'll mod a dating mini-game to Doom3
Psyringe
Scout
A Doom3 mod? Well, the 3d engine is there already ... 
Harry Haller
Warlord
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When you discover time travel, the game starts over in its original configuration, but this time you start out with a couple of mech infantry and jet fighters that were sent to you from your future civ.
LogicSequence
Lightwave Alien
Pbhead
Hail the Byzantines
Harry Haller said:
and modern armor...
and nukes...
and a terminator...
Willowmound
Wordbug
GangsterOctopus said:
Heh, that's the old "grandfather paradox" you've discovered there. It's one of the arguments used to prove time travel is impossible. Go back in time, kill your grandfather -- now how is it you were able to kill him if he never conceived your father, and you were never born?
edit: by the way, you can't steal techs in civ4
MRM
Prince
Willowmound said:
Of yourse your civ should be destroyed ( disapear in a black hole or something like that ) when it creates a time travel paradoxon ...
holy king
Deity
tear apart the space-time-continuum, anyone
Idea is nice, but time travel to the past is IMPOSSIBLE.
However, time travel to the future IS...great idea!
Lets say u r playing at 1000AD, suddenly u trigger some alien tech that can warp ur civ to 2000AD o_O . Ur archrival were still there , but now he has modern weaponry: mech, tank, gunship... While ur civ only have a horde of horse archer!
Fear strikes ur people , as he began to march his modern army toward ur border... It was the first time ur empire ever encountered such a unit called tank. The bloodiest battle was with the Indian's elephant rider, where your troops addressed them as 'The Mighty Trunk'... Now, the battalion of tanks rolled through your soil, u were shocked to realize that a single unit of tank massacred 5 of your elite phalanx guard!! The situation is critical now...
Suddenly, the sky roared! A 'giant roaring bird' flew overhead, its body was painted with a symbol that u recognized as one your neighbour's. A few shots, the enemy tanks was destroyed!! U have got an ally..
The world of 21 century got something call United Nation. Luckily, the secretary general of UN is a peaceful guy, so he demanded your archrival to stop his aggression and offer military assistances to this war. Over time, all other civs began to bind good relations with u. Open borders were signed.
-No bad relations from other civ
-Other civ tend to offer aid
Although technologically backward, your civ is an ancient artifact that warped from 1000 years ago, a live history ! Scientists from all over the planet began flocking to ur civ to investigate the "warp point". Historians began their studies on your civilization, new historical facts spawned as they study through ur empire. More and more people wanted to join ur interesting empire...Artists, archeologists, ecologist...
-500% Great people birthrate
-1000% Culture generation
EDIT the story abit
However, time travel to the future IS...great idea!
Lets say u r playing at 1000AD, suddenly u trigger some alien tech that can warp ur civ to 2000AD o_O . Ur archrival were still there , but now he has modern weaponry: mech, tank, gunship... While ur civ only have a horde of horse archer!
Fear strikes ur people , as he began to march his modern army toward ur border... It was the first time ur empire ever encountered such a unit called tank. The bloodiest battle was with the Indian's elephant rider, where your troops addressed them as 'The Mighty Trunk'... Now, the battalion of tanks rolled through your soil, u were shocked to realize that a single unit of tank massacred 5 of your elite phalanx guard!! The situation is critical now...
Suddenly, the sky roared! A 'giant roaring bird' flew overhead, its body was painted with a symbol that u recognized as one your neighbour's. A few shots, the enemy tanks was destroyed!! U have got an ally..
The world of 21 century got something call United Nation. Luckily, the secretary general of UN is a peaceful guy, so he demanded your archrival to stop his aggression and offer military assistances to this war. Over time, all other civs began to bind good relations with u. Open borders were signed.
-No bad relations from other civ
-Other civ tend to offer aid
Although technologically backward, your civ is an ancient artifact that warped from 1000 years ago, a live history ! Scientists from all over the planet began flocking to ur civ to investigate the "warp point". Historians began their studies on your civilization, new historical facts spawned as they study through ur empire. More and more people wanted to join ur interesting empire...Artists, archeologists, ecologist...
-500% Great people birthrate
-1000% Culture generation
EDIT the story abit
EvilDrummer
Chieftain
you need the nuke to make time travel possible.
the plutonium (ok uranium in civ 4) is required for
the 1.21 giga watts of electricity.
unless of course you discovered mr. fusion.
+E
the plutonium (ok uranium in civ 4) is required for
the 1.21 giga watts of electricity.
unless of course you discovered mr. fusion.
+E
...New victory conditions available:
Several years have passed since the Great Warp.. ur ppl finally realized what was going on. The alien artifact is the cause of all these. U got 2 choices, to lead your ppl to prosperity in this modern world OR find a way back to where ur ppl belong.
Victory conditions :
1) Cultural Win
Absorb as many civ as possible!
2) Alternative Space race :
Research the Alien artifact, build a energy cell to power up the artifact, then warp back to your origin.
New technologies (only applicable to u, not other civs)
Artifact research 1
Artifact research 2
Artifact energy source
Artifact control system
New national wonder:
Fussion fuel cell (Req. for Alternative space race win)
Fission fuel cell (Req. for Alternative space race win)
"....although the origin of the alien artifact remain unknown, and their mechanism remain mystery, scientists found that the energy source of the artifact has depleted. Engineers believe that if we are able to replace it with a new source of energy, then we might be able to reactivate the artifact again...
"
Pls edit my grammar.....I am taking GMAT soon.
Several years have passed since the Great Warp.. ur ppl finally realized what was going on. The alien artifact is the cause of all these. U got 2 choices, to lead your ppl to prosperity in this modern world OR find a way back to where ur ppl belong.
Victory conditions :
1) Cultural Win
Absorb as many civ as possible!
2) Alternative Space race :
Research the Alien artifact, build a energy cell to power up the artifact, then warp back to your origin.
New technologies (only applicable to u, not other civs)
Artifact research 1
Artifact research 2
Artifact energy source
Artifact control system
New national wonder:
Fussion fuel cell (Req. for Alternative space race win)
Fission fuel cell (Req. for Alternative space race win)
"....although the origin of the alien artifact remain unknown, and their mechanism remain mystery, scientists found that the energy source of the artifact has depleted. Engineers believe that if we are able to replace it with a new source of energy, then we might be able to reactivate the artifact again...
"Pls edit my grammar.....I am taking GMAT soon.
Some believe the solution to that paradox is that you would never be able to achieve such a situation. If you tried to stab your grandfather, you would slip. If you did stab him, he would recover. You get the point. Personally I don't think the presence of your grandfather has any impact on your presence. Humans have a limited understanding of time, myself included. Who are we to say that time operates like building blocks, one part before another in a linear progression? For all we know you can navigate time as simply as depth, length, or width. Until someone travels through time abnormally, and tries to pull off such a paradox, nothing is certain.
I don't think such a capacity is currently provided, but you could attempt to have an event that disables certain technologies, obsoletes buildings/worker actions, hides resources, etc. to make it so the next turn operates in stone age parameters. Then you disable the event or trigger another with a different set of boundaries. You would keep progressing through turns though, all actions would remain contiguous.
I don't think such a capacity is currently provided, but you could attempt to have an event that disables certain technologies, obsoletes buildings/worker actions, hides resources, etc. to make it so the next turn operates in stone age parameters. Then you disable the event or trigger another with a different set of boundaries. You would keep progressing through turns though, all actions would remain contiguous.
Can I buy crack from whoever devised that?Agraza said:
Killing your biological grandfather is a surefire way to prevent the birth of your father (or mother) as you know it. If time is not of linear progression, have you gone backwards in time? or have you simply jump from one spot to another (drugs don't count). Have you got any evidence that we can somehow navigate time like we navigate space? Have you got any evidence contrary to the fact that time continues toward the future?
Now it hits me. I can't believe I wasted time to argue this. I might be able to remove the post, but I can't reclaim the wasted time.
Willowmound
Wordbug
...Of course, some physicists believe that there exists an infinite number of universes, one for every combination of every possibility of everything ever. These universes all exist "side by side" in something they call the multiverse. If the multiverse theory is true, some argue, if (when) you travel back in time, you would (will) also change universe. Everything will be the same in this universe as in the one you left, except for the fact that you now exist in your own past. If you kill your grandfather here, there will be no paradox, since in this universe you were never conceived in the first place!
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