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[InvisibleStalke]

Agreed. Monopolizing wonders on monarch makes industrious extremely powerful. You don't need a GP farm - your wonders supply your GPP.

I found Roosevelt just awesome.

Start by building 3 production cities. Aim to get all the useful early wonders, particularly pyramids, oracle, parthenon and great library. Probably great lighthouse too.

Add other commerce cities to support costs. Switch all your wonder production to the capital, settle all great people except for an academy. Watch the GPP roll in. A lot of your early research will be from settled GPs with representation.

Run org religion and bureaucracy for most of the game. Capital should build wonders in 10 turns or less. Just keep monopolizing them.

Once your second two production cities have finished the early wonder they are responsible, turn your attention to building a military - probably just in time for the AI expansion to reach you. With three strong production cities (which will have awesome culture), you can quickly build an army. Then you keep warring and expanding using Industrious to keep building wonders in your capital, while the organized trait helps you manage costs.

As you go add more production cities - another one for every three cities you capture. The others should be commerce cities to pay for the expansion.

Build university of sankore and spiral minaret to take advantage of your large empire to get even more research and gold.

 

[bardolph]

as an Industrious civ, you may be tempted to aimlessly "hard build" wonders in your cities. This is basically a waste of hammers that could go to infrastructure, or military units to acquire more real estate. (Note that your neighbors' real estate comes with population and terrain improvements.)

Now here's an example of a more intermediate Industrious strategy. Get Bronze Working, then Masonary. Build the Great Wall, chopping forests to speed up production.

I disagree. If you're going to play an Industrious leader, the way to leverage your trait is to build wonders. You shouldn't build them "aimlessly," of course; always choose wonders that will benefit your empire the most. Also, sometimes units and normal buildings are more important than wonders. You just have to exercise good judgment and timing.

Chopping, rushing, and "hard-building" wonders are all good ways to leverage Industrious, but relying on Great Engineers to build your wonders for you is not. That strategy is actually much better suited to a Philosophical leader than an Industrious one!

You may have a good point, that wonder-building at higher difficulty levels is not an optimal strategy, but once you admit that, you might as well not play any Industrious leaders at all. Choose traits that are more useful.

A side-effect of building lots of wonders is the amount of Culture that you get from those wonders. This means that Industrious leaders are usually the best ones to pursue a Cultural Victory.

 

[InFlux5]

I suppose I over-stated the necessity of using the strategies I posted. Still, I think they're good strategies.

I wasn't suggesting you set up a GE farm and continue to use it for the whole game. After 1 or 2 I wouldn't want any more. Those were just examples of how to super-charge your early game with the Industrious trait, and then move into a more aggressive strategy, without continuing to tie up cities with wonders. Using GEs is good for Industrious if you leverage cheap forges to get them up quickly.

Focusing on building to the detriment of military is very common; it's what I tend to do. So I'm just posting some example of stuff I did to get out of that habit - mostly thanks to people on these forums.

 

[axident]

I suppose I over-stated the necessity of using the strategies I posted. Still, I think they're good strategies.

I wasn't suggesting you set up a GE farm and continue to use it for the whole game. After 1 or 2 I wouldn't want any more. Those were just examples of how to super-charge your early game with the Industrious trait, and then move into a more aggressive strategy, without continuing to tie up cities with wonders. Using GEs is good for Industrious if you leverage cheap forges to get them up quickly.

Focusing on building to the detriment of military is very common; it's what I tend to do. So I'm just posting some example of stuff I did to get out of that habit - mostly thanks to people on these forums.

Nah, your strat is sound & you are right about the speed & war aspect of higher diff level. I just wanted the guy to know that he could win on Noble with wonderville capitals too, which I find more fun on Noble than doing the same darn thing that you and I would do on Emperor.