Turks?

[Himalia]

@Himalia
I see what you mean. So according to you, genocide has never taken place? Even the Genocide of the American Indians doesn't count in that logic (You can still find Aborigins here and there). The Jewish Holocaust either.

Its just a technicality but i also stated that to just attempt is just as bad. It would be almost immpossible to absolutely wipe out a nation, i would only take a few to survive at that fairly likely although over a few generations there numbers could well go down further still as a side ettect. What happened was attempted Genocide, fortunatly they failed

 

[nebuchadnezzar]

so, Armenian Rebel, do you want to say that Turks shouldn't be in the game because of the -so called- Armenian Genocide?

Firaxis guys should exclude America (American Indians, Nukes in Japan, Vietnam, Iraq), England (India), Germany (Jews), France (Algeria), Japan (China), Russia (forced resettlement of minorities-USSR).

By the way, Turkish culture is higher than you know. It is not just the Mongolian lifestyle in yurts. There were Turkish cities in Asia -if you want to call a tribe as civilization if it has cities- that are been excavated. The reason that most cities are buried into history is that most Turkish cities were build by wood and soil, not stone or bricks. They couldn't survive the incoming Mongolian attacks.

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[Himalia]

I dont think he has ever stated that or even implied it the main point he is making is about certain aspects of there history and that it mus tall be taken in its entirity and i really hope that you are not suggesting that Firaxis should remove America , England , Germany , France , Japan or Russia from the game ? I assume that was ment as an example more than anything ?

 

[nebuchadnezzar]

I mean, there is much more that these ones I listed did. Then we are called "barbarians", "uncivilized", "thiefs of culture".

I will not go on writing this thread, it is a capitalist act that Firaxis does not include Turks. That's all.

 

[Himalia]

That is simply not true. Germany yes but by that i must be very clear it was the Nazis.
Im also make it clear that none of those countries can claim that they have nothing in there past that they should or could prehaps be ashamed of. But the idea that Firaxis did not include the Turks is a purely capatlist act sounds like an attack of desperation. The cold facts are 18 civs is not enough. Even twice that would not be enough, some civs will be missed out and whoever is left out someone will say so why has such and such not been included. I agree the Turks is some form should be in the game but be that the main version or in an expansion is neither here nor there. If there not in the expansion then yes that woud seem strange but i would also say that even if twice as many civs were in the game in the first place then there would still be some missing.

It seems to me that this topic has gone way off topic and purely revolves around somebody being angry that the Turks in some form or another are not in the game. Thats the way it is and if you ar really that unhappy with it the ultimate protest you can make is to purchass the game if you feel it would make a difference. I would be puzzled if my country was not in the game but i would just live with it and think o well whatever life goes on. There are countries that wont be in it that i think should and ill mod them as and when.

 

[Karaman]

I wonder why the programmers are so lazy nowadays and dont include all civs in the world. Come on, I think they are not so many as it seems

 

[Himalia]

Thats true the more civs they add even if you can only play 18 in one given game would be a major selling point. Prehaps if they realise this they could even do an expansion pack which simply has loads of extra civs and nothing else. I would certainly get it.

 

[Kyriakos]

I don't think that this would improve the attitude some have in this thread. It was a similar thing with europa universalis2, where you could ofcourse play as all of the civs but then some people were unhappy about which were the ones set automatically as the "major civs".

 

[Armenian Rebel]

so, Armenian Rebel, do you want to say that Turks shouldn't be in the game because of the -so called- Armenian Genocide?

No it's not that. As you said, others have also committed genocide, yet they are included in Civ4. I just answered to what ahm posted a few pages ago. It was kinda off-topic I guess.

Ok tell me about some of those cities. I hope you're not talking about what the Scythians and Sarmatians built. They were Iranic tribes, and not Turkic as you would probably claim.

In order to prove that Turks had some sort of civilization during Antiquity, Turkish ''historians'' have to claim that nations such as the Scythians, the Hittites, or the Urartians (who were in fact the ancestors of the Armenians) were Turkic tribes. Absurd...

 

[ahm]

@Armenian Rebel
lets suppose that turks killed 1.5. but there is a question why they stopped after 1.5???
why they didnt killed all of ermenians, so you say they killed 1.5 mil? it would be easy to kill all after 1.5mil?

it is impossible to kill 1.5 mil. people. i am repeating there is no genocide.
it is only an immigration, it is possible, some of people died because of immigration circumstances. (but not killed)
we didnt wanted immigration, they caused this by helping russians and attacking us.

it is not the topic of this forum.



the topic is why turks is not in civ4. i think so, the problem is that the selection made by business men.
if historians could decide which civilizations should be in,
turks certainly would be in the main version of game.

to be, or not to be, that is the question...

 

[Karaman]

terrorists should not be allowed in any civ game

 

[ist..since1453]

terrorists should not be allowed in any civ game

what do you mean???if you wanna say that terrible thing to Turks than better stay there in bulgaria..
we are happy with our kurd,armenian,jewish brothers in Turkey.they are not understressed.most armenians,jewish people are far more richer than turks.kurds are also began to get good positions in social life but yet not so good.it will also develop with great projects like GAP.
i cant blame you karaman and the likes of you for false thoughts,fake informations though.

i had to answer. iam sorry i know it is off-topic.to the topic;IMO there should have been both ottomans and huns.

i remmember in civ3 vanilla incas were barbarians then became civilized in c3c..it is my bad dream to see ottomans as barbarians civ4.

 

[Himalia]

I doubt the Ottamans will become barbarians in Civ IV. Prehaps Karaman has an explanation behind what he said ?

 

[Kyriakos]

it is impossible to kill 1.5 mil.

it isnt impossible to kill 1,5 mil. the nazi's killed over 6 mil jews alone.

 

[Bugra]

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[Crayton]

Turks or Mongols?
From reading the more interesting parts of this thread, it sounds like the Turks have more accolades than the Mongols. Of course this thread is biased.
The Mongols stretched an empire from the Black and Red Seas to the Pacific and Indian Oceans, and most of the government officials were Turkish rather than Mongol (save conquered ethnicities)?
Should I start a thread titled: "Save the Mongols" and tell the game creators they goofed?
I'd do it too! The civs are probably locked-in already. Bummer.

 

[Karaman]

I dont imply that Turks in general are terrorists! I cant tell some of my comrades in University, "Hey, terrorist!". They are Turks! A nation cannot be terrorists! A group can be terrorists! I hate Turks, so what, I dont want to kill them or invade them. I wonder why you Turks say, you dont hate us, you didn't kill us, and nowadays Turks with double citizenship are transported in Trucks to Bulgaria to vote for the Turk ethnic party in the recent vote for parliament. These citizens are Turks and have never visited Bulgaria in the past 4 years. And they vote for Bulgarian parliament ?! I call this invasion! That's why I hate Turks! I hate them so much! But come on, what can I do Nothing I prefer to live happy with them. You may ask how can I do it. Easy I would say! I just remember how inferior to me they are. I dont want to be cruel to inferior beings, do I, I like to help them to be happy. I want everybody happy. They deserve it after all, being so inferior See, it's easy I dont want to invade your country!

 

[ist..since1453]

I dont imply that Turks in general are terrorists! I cant tell some of my comrades in University, "Hey, terrorist!". They are Turks! A nation cannot be terrorists! A group can be terrorists! I hate Turks, so what, I dont want to kill them or invade them. I wonder why you Turks say, you dont hate us, you didn't kill us, and nowadays Turks with double citizenship are transported in Trucks to Bulgaria to vote for the Turk ethnic party in the recent vote for parliament. These citizens are Turks and have never visited Bulgaria in the past 4 years. And they vote for Bulgarian parliament ?! I call this invasion! That's why I hate Turks! I hate them so much! But come on, what can I do Nothing I prefer to live happy with them. You may ask how can I do it. Easy I would say! I just remember how inferior to me they are. I dont want to be cruel to inferior beings, do I, I like to help them to be happy. I want everybody happy. They deserve it after all, being so inferior See, it's easy I dont want to invade your country!

you cant even say by words(invade?)you are playing so much computer games.

they have permission to vote if they have two citizenship.it is democracy.in turkey everyday and everyday the beatiful lands are bought by the european people.our factories are sold to foreign countries. .turks in turkey spend more money for their touristic places than russians,germans,frenchs.yet we dont have any hatred for them.but i dont like these globalisation actions in Turkey.we had wars with russians,chinese,greece over generations but it's a new world.unending hatred for the opposite,unending wars were in the past.it cant be easy to mention ''a group of people'' as ''terosists''.

and also thank you for not invading our country.

i want to ask;where are you from?a bulgarian?kurdish?or what?how can we understand you better.as i said before i cant blame you for those thoughts.you are told ''turks are evil'',''turks are barbarians''.i all know that.you must know that it's not your thoughts.you are a muppet,you dont know.i must advise you to read different books not the ones only fills you with hatred.

again sorry to anyone reading these things.iam taking the reaction that most people who loves his country,and its people understands..but anyway you can easily see who TERORİSES these forums.iam sure about that...

 

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