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[Seidrik_The_Gray]

Faction Government Civics
Upon creation a faction must choose one of the following government civics. The chosen government civic must be available in-game for the faction to be eligible to be prime faction^*. The faction can not change the government civic choice during the duration of the faction's life. Any constitution or rules the faction creates must be based on the government civic. Following the government are two penalty civics. A faction can not make use of the penalty civics associated with it's government civic.

Despotism (changed to more of a "theocracy" for role-play elements):
Country is ruled by a High Priest and various lower Priests.

Slavery
Free religion
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Hereditary Rule
Country is ruled by a King/Queen and various Princes.

Nationhood
Emancipation
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Representation:
Country is ruled by an elected senate.

Slavery
State Property
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Police State:
Country is ruled by the military.

Free Speech
Pacifism
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Universal Suffrage:
Country is ruled directly by the people.

Vassalage
Theocracy
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Rebellions
Every 2 weeks the country choses whether to enter anarchy. If the majority of people chose the enter anarchy the current prime faction loses it's spot and a poll goes up to decide which of the opposing factions will take it's spot.

* A faction could choose a government civic which is not yet available in-game as a role-playing vehicle to advocate research or wonder builds to make the desired government avaialble.

According to the above only the Government Civic is unchangeable!!!

So, we should be free to change all other civics, except the Government one during a term, unless we want to change the rules.

Again, I ask why a Despotism cannot be Beurocratic? Wouldn't Free Market or Free Speach make more sense?

 

[Lord Civius]

According to the above only the Government Civic is unchangeable!!!

So, we should be free to change all other civics, except the Government one during a term, unless we want to change the rules.

Again, I ask why a Despotism cannot be Beurocratic? Wouldn't Free Market or Free Speach make more sense?

That is not the final draft in the core rules. So we can stick with slavery. Thats what my original post was about but I went fishing and found the final draft in a sticky in the Rules sub-forum.

I was not here for the making of the rules so someone else would have to give you an answer about the penaltys chosen.

 

[Joe Harker]

Actually it only mentions "Upon creation a faction must chose one of the following government civics. They can not change that civic during the duration of it's life.", nothing about not switching civics in other areas.

 

[AluminumKnight]

Again, I ask why a Despotism cannot be Beurocratic? Wouldn't Free Market or Free Speach make more sense

How would a Despotism be Bearucratic?? Isn't the definition of a Despotism mean that basically one person makes the decisions. This is pretty much the opposite of a Bearucratic government, in which there are many positions and hoops to jump through to get things done.

 

[Seidrik_The_Gray]

Actually it only mentions "Upon creation a faction must chose one of the following government civics. They can not change that civic during the duration of it's life.", nothing about not switching civics in other areas.

Yes, that's what I was trying to say. Thank you!

 

[Joe Harker]

Yes, that's what I was trying to say. Thank you!

Your're Welcome!

Should we put this up for discussion, to avoid further confusion, or are we all happy about changing other civics, other than the government ones?

 

[Seidrik_The_Gray]

How would a Despotism be Bearucratic?? Isn't the definition of a Despotism mean that basically one person makes the decisions. This is pretty much the opposite of a Bearucratic government, in which there are many positions and hoops to jump through to get things done.

Was Hitler a Despot or the Head of a Police State? Napolean? Musalini? Chavez? Hussein? Beuraucracies can be used for good or evil and most Beuraucracies are designed to support the government and facilitate the administration of affairs so those in power can devote their time to "other" matters.

Are emperors members of a Despotic Regime or of a Hereditary Regime?

A despot doesn't have to make all of the decisions. In fact, a despot uses his absolute power to make sure his/her will is done. Does a Despot declare how the sewers should be built or do they simply say to their magistrates to keep the city clean?

Power does not occur in a vaccuum it is supported by others who share in the power by also being connected to it. There are people in charge of people, who keep the empire running. The Despot is in charge of the people who are in charge of the people, and on a whim can if they want, go to the lowest level and dictate change, but for the most part, why soil yourself with such decisions?

 

[Seidrik_The_Gray]

Your're Welcome!

Should we put this up for discussion, to avoid further confusion, or are we all happy about changing other civics, other than the government ones?

I think our community needs clarification. I would propose that your government civic should be wrote in stone as written in the faction ruleset. However, your platform should state "will adopt slavery, beuraucracy, etc..." when the tech is available. Slavery is huge though, but that could just be my Judeo-Christian upbringing. Perhaps in other cultures, some forms of slavery are permitted or at least tollerated...although I admit I don't know of any such cultures personally.

Perhaps a rule change is in order. Perhaps civics other than the government civic should require a "confidence vote" to determine whether people wanted a rebellion prior to the civic change.

So...yes, I think this needs to be discussed.

 

[BCLG100]

Was Hitler a Despot or the Head of a Police State? Napolean? Musalini? Chavez? Hussein? Beuraucracies can be used for good or evil and most Beuraucracies are designed to support the government and facilitate the administration of affairs so those in power can devote their time to "other" matters.

Are emperors members of a Despotic Regime or of a Hereditary Regime?

A despot doesn't have to make all of the decisions. In fact, a despot uses his absolute power to make sure his/her will is done. Does a Despot declare how the sewers should be built or do they simply say to their magistrates to keep the city clean?

Power does not occur in a vaccuum it is supported by others who share in the power by also being connected to it. There are people in charge of people, who keep the empire running. The Despot is in charge of the people who are in charge of the people, and on a whim can if they want, go to the lowest level and dictate change, but for the most part, why soil yourself with such decisions?

Well in quite a few of them cases- Hitler for instance, you could argue that Hitler had power over nothing and just a front man.

 

[Lord Civius]

I agree we need clarity. Changing a Gov't Civic requires a new Prime Faction (RP Govt). All other Civics should be controlled by a Despotism Faction. Later Prime Factions with more democratic principles like Representation may choose a different path. My main point is the Prime Factions Gov't type should dictate such things.IMHO.