Underrated Civs?

[enKage]

Why Ghandi, though? Chandra seems way better... they both get Dharma.

Because Gandhi gets easier use of Dharma
strong advantage in faith generation --> more misionaries -> plant bonus ammenities in more cities
Chandy gets 10 turns improved warfare, but only with 1 casus belli, somewhat limited in use, no bonus faith.
In my personal opinion Gandhi is better

As far as I remember Dharma was eliminated 2nd in elimination thread. This was nonsense. Those free ammenities mean that indian cities simply work as they were 1 level of happines higher than other civs.
So much hype for Scotland and so much misunderstanding for India

 

[bengalryan9]

Because Gandhi gets easier use of Dharma
strong advantage in faith generation --> more misionaries -> plant bonus ammenities in more cities
Chandy gets 10 turns improved warfare, but only with 1 casus belli, somewhat limited in use, no bonus faith.
In my personal opinion Gandhi is better

As far as I remember Dharma was eliminated 2nd in elimination thread. This was nonsense. Those free ammenities mean that indian cities simply work as they were 1 level of happines higher than other civs.
So much hype for Scotland and so much misunderstanding for India

Inspired by this thread I set up a game as India, though I went with Chandragupta. Early wars of territorial expansion with Varu are pretty nice. I'm not sure that extra faith Gandhi gets is enough to cancel that out in my eyes, but I'll have to give him a try.

Dharma *is* pretty nice. I'm building holy sites with bonuses to culture (I took choral music) *and* food (someone else took feed the world). I think it would get more credit if it was a bit more clearly communicated what bonuses each city was getting as the game doesn't do a great job spelling it out for you. It's also an ability that scales in utility based on map size.

Stepwells are pretty mediocre from what I can tell.

 

[Victoria]

I much prefer Gandhi. For me it is a diplomacy thing.
Even though playing as a human player those agendas are considered by other AI’s and weariness also.
With Gandhi other civs are more likely to like you and make peace with you. Dharma is also nicer.

 

[bengalryan9]

I much prefer Gandhi. For me it is a diplomacy thing.
Even though playing as a human player those agendas are considered by other AI’s and weariness also.
With Gandhi other civs are more likely to like you and make peace with you. Dharma is also nicer.

I'm rarely a warmongerer myself, so I understand. I play on small maps where Gandhi's bonus would get me a max of +20 faith per turn once I've met everyone. On larger maps with more religions it would obviously be a lot more appealing, but that doesn't seem too great IMO.

Dharma does synergize well with Chandragupta too. Those AI cities you conquer probably already have followers of other religions, and the extra amenities you get can help keep them loyal while the follower beliefs make it easier to make them productive out of the gate.

 

[Depravo]

3) Netherlands
Those adjecencies make me mad. Absolutely top civ, somehow in most rankings not mentioned in a place Netherlands deserve.

This. Doing my first Dutch game ATM and I'm basically coasting to victory with insane adjacency bonuses for every important district. They're awesome for any victory type but Religion.

As if the adjacency bonuses weren't strong enough, they chucked in dam and aqueduct buffs for IZ's which make double digit adjacencies child's play to achieve.

 

[KayAU]

Maybe Norway is a bit underrated. Even though most people around here now seem to consider them pretty good, I suspect many are still underestimating them, as examplified by a recent article posted here, which listed Norway as bottom tier.

 

[enKage]

I'm rarely a warmongerer myself, so I understand. I play on small maps where Gandhi's bonus would get me a max of +20 faith per turn once I've met everyone. On larger maps with more religions it would obviously be a lot more appealing, but that doesn't seem too great IMO.

That 20 faith is trasferred to 4 ammenities lets say every 10 turn. Religion pressure can remove religion from small cities, so nice to have faith in bank to buy new ammenities :]

Chandy? blaaah


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Norway underrated? After pillage changes? No way