Vassal state?

[CivIVMonger]

I understand what it is it's just how it works that boggles me. because that would help extremely well. could you tell me how to become the master of a Civilization.
could you Help me out?

 

[Sofista]

Peacefully: a far weaker civ might ask to become your vassal. Entirely voluntary, both sides might recede from the deal like any other diplomatic deal.

Manu militari: when a civ is being wiped out, you might contact the leader and propose a peace treaty with the "capitulation" condotion. No way out for them, or you, unless some conditions are met (they either re-grow too large, or too many, or too small).

 

[mechaerik]

You must also have at least warlords and know feudalism.

Spoiler :

When i was a n00b, i though you needed to be in the vassalage civic, but that's entirely untrue.

 

[CivIVMonger]

Thanks Guys.

 

[Jrrd Tzu]

does a defensive pact count toward a diplomatic victory, the way vassalage does? Or Domin. Victory?

 

[mechaerik]

Nope. It does usually help, as you get diplo bonuses for it.

 

[Cwalsh]

I have CIV4 Warlords, and I am playing the "Rise of Rome" scenario as Rome. I attacked the Celts first to stop their expansion. I cleared them from the continent, and then made them my Vassal State. Now when I am at war with any other Civ and I instruct the Celts to attack a specific City they say "we'll do our best", but they dont ever attack. They seemingly have a decent amount of military units, but they are not helping in any way. They even have cities close to the Carthaginians now, but I have never seen their units on the offensive. Has anyone else experienced this? I would love to use my Vassal as a military arm, but I cant seem to get them to help in any way. Please advise.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I have CIV4 Warlords, and I am playing the "Rise of Rome" scenario as Rome. I attacked the Celts first to stop their expansion. I cleared them from the continent, and then made them my Vassal State. Now when I am at war with any other Civ and I instruct the Celts to attack a specific City they say "we'll do our best", but they dont ever attack. They seemingly have a decent amount of military units, but they are not helping in any way. They even have cities close to the Carthaginians now, but I have never seen their units on the offensive. Has anyone else experienced this? I would love to use my Vassal as a military arm, but I cant seem to get them to help in any way. Please advise.

Play a higher difficulty, where AI bonuses overcome their incompetence. Games where a beaten civ does anything of substance after becoming a vassal are rare otherwise, although you can still use them to manipulate capitulation chances, farm diplo votes, and in 3.19 trade if your warring left you backwards.

 

[CivIVMonger]

Does a vassel count for a Domin victory?

 

[Meepers]

50% of a vassel's land area counts towards your total... so if they own 10%, and you own 25%- your total with them as your vassel would be 30%

(as far as I know off what I've read on the forums/manual)

 

[Willem]

50% of a vassel's land area counts towards your total...

Also their population.

 

[CivIVMonger]

That's good news!


Is there a tech/requirement needed for the vassel option to appear in the diplomacy screen?

 

[pianoman1242]

feudalism, as previously mentioned by mechaerik

 

[Cwalsh]

Play a higher difficulty, where AI bonuses overcome their incompetence. Games where a beaten civ does anything of substance after becoming a vassal are rare otherwise, although you can still use them to manipulate capitulation chances, farm diplo votes, and in 3.19 trade if your warring left you backwards.

Thanks! I am gonna give it a try right now...

 

[King Kalmah]

Gift techs and also it helps to repeatedly tell them what city to attack.You tell them to attack once and its like OK,but then they gotta build units.After a while your probably winning or maybe even took the target.So it ultimately helps to keep in constant communication with your vassel.

 

[CivIVMonger]

feudalism, as previously mentioned by mechaerik

Sorry, didn't look.

 

[CivIVMonger]

Do you have any control whatsoever of a vassel state. Guessing, not?

 

[Ghpstage]

Do you have any control whatsoever of a vassel state. Guessing, not?

You can tell them what to research. Just click the "Lets talk about something else" option on the diplo screen. You can ask them to attack a certain city in the same screen, this works with any civ you are sharing a war with though.
As of 3.19 they will also always trade techs with you, ignoring WFYABTA limits and whether they like you or not.

 

[CivIVMonger]

Okay, do you need to be friendly to request vassel state.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You can tell them what to research. Just click the "Lets talk about something else" option on the diplo screen. You can ask them to attack a certain city in the same screen, this works with any civ you are sharing a war with though.
As of 3.19 they will also always trade techs with you, ignoring WFYABTA limits and whether they like you or not.

The trade rule makes fighting to cap an AI much more attractive now, since you can essentially control them to increase your tech rate reliably. It's even more dangerous in AI hands though...warmonger AIs got a decided boost.

Good thing I learned to stop overbuilding infrastructure just recently.