I post this separately to the Affinity Traits thread, altough it follows a similar concept. In fact, probably the reason behind both threads is the new leader Trait system looks cool, but feels too much isolated of other gameplay mechanics. Maybe it is a design decisión (to not overlimit / add complexity to a new mechanic), but it really feels strange traits are not linked somehow to civ Affinity, or even more, Virtues. OK, I understand traits represent leader "personality", and virtues the faction "personality", and there can be degrees of liberty among them, but in any case, ¿does it make sense the leader has a fully different personality to the faction?. As an example: ¿would you buy a Defensive, Disciplined, Imperial leader in a civ with no Military Virtues? ¿or a Industrialist, Ambitious, Efficient leader where Industry is not a virtue? So, I propose this tread for discussion on two fronts. Assuming we consider the possibility to link traits to virtues: 1. ¿What would be the best way to link them?. So far, I can think of two or three: - the most basic one, traits are unlocked by advancement on a specific virtue tree (requirements won't be too high - maybe 1, 3 and 5-7 virtues for each level, with some traits being able to be unlocked by two virtue tres - and even traits with lesser requirements). - or, a suitable trait + virtue combo increases health (people are happier*cough*"healthier" if you as a leader share their virtues). I will not propose negative health (as "malus" systems are not in trend), but they could be considered. - also, as another option or an addition to previous ones, DC cost for new traits is reduced depending on the number of suitable virtues you have. 2. And, of course, ¿to which virtue family would you link each trait?. I have made already some associations (i.e, for Domestic - Humanitarian or Developer go with Prosperity; Industrialist and Commercial with Industry, Refined and Innovative with Knowledge or Defensive and Vigilant with Military) and I will come back with a detailed list if I can spend a bit more time on it, but ¿do you have already some proposals?.