wacky AI

[Josiah]

Has anyone noticed that the AI won't trade fair deals. I have tried to trade one luxury for another or one tech that takes the same amount of science to produce and the computer won't take the deal. The always want you to sweeten the deal WTH?

 

[Innate Distress]

Trading depends on many things: difficulty level, reputation, etc. I for one have had many even trades with the AI, including resources and technology. I generally have a good reputation and play on Regent...

 

[dannyevilcat]

Okay, how about his for odd... I'm negotiating a tech deal, so to open the bidding I ask what they would accept for whatever tech it was they had. "sorry, no deal is possible" they say. Now that can't be-- I look over at my side of the table and I've got about three techs extra to trade and lots of gold! Sure enough, I start offering stuff, and they find one of the deals acceptable... so why didn't they make the offer? Damn wacky A.I.

 

[Cyrai]

Oh come on, you know the computer just loves playing hard to get. The computer always wants to be coy; it drives the bargainers wild.

 

[Aslan]

I think a lot of the time it has to do with how the computer views your civ. If you're culture isn't much better than theirs, you ain't gettin' much. If you've screwed someone else over in an agreement or treaty, you'll get screwed with other civs in trades. And sometimes the computer is just bluffing with you...not so much wacky as it is finicky or picky or a pain in the you-know-what!

 

[Josiah]

Ok here is some background info I didn't post. On my last game I was playing as Egyptions on warlord difficulty (taking it slow b/c my old tactics don't work like the used to some I'm am still getting reoriented after 2 months of solid play). I had perfict creadability b/c I had never broken a treaty, I had never been to war, I was and did win culteraly. I was trying to trade the zulu's 1 ivory for 1 insense and they said no. I then asked them what it would take to get the insense, thay said an additional 140 gold! That dosn't make any sense to me

BTW, I love the sig Aslan!

 

[Sparrowhawk]

You have to realize the computer is going to demand whatever it thinks it can get from you. Here's some trading tips I have figured out over the last while:


1. If they won't trade world maps at first, trade territory maps with everyone on the board, then come back and deal.

2. Realize that they want resources as bad as you do. Don't be afraid to cut them off. Let them simmer without luxuries for a couple of decades, and then see how it goes.

3. Go to war and take a resource or two from them. Then deal.

4. If a Civ you're at war with is just about to be eliminated by another civ, demand anything you wish in exchange for peace. Chances are, they'll give it to you.

5. ....


I had a bunch more suggestions worked out last time I was playing, but I seem to have forgotten... Oh well, those four are worth mentioning. Maybe I'll think of some more later.

My point was that the trading system can be manipulated if you just put some time into figuring it out. Many a time I have screwed the computer quite satisfyingly!

 

[Squirrel]

Originally posted by Josiah
Ok here is some background info I didn't post. On my last game I was playing as Egyptions on warlord difficulty (taking it slow b/c my old tactics don't work like the used to some I'm am still getting reoriented after 2 months of solid play). I had perfict creadability b/c I had never broken a treaty, I had never been to war, I was and did win culteraly. I was trying to trade the zulu's 1 ivory for 1 insense and they said no. I then asked them what it would take to get the insense, thay said an additional 140 gold! That dosn't make any sense to me

Were you bigger than the Zulu? That is important. If you have more cities and more people, the luxury will be more important to you than to the AI. This is because you have more people and cities to make happy. The AI knows this and will charge you for it.

 

[Aslan]

Screw that AI! Woo hoo! [dance]

Twist it's little electronic arm...:flamedevi

Have fun!





Aslan the Lion