What are your thoughts on Worship Beliefs?

[Bliss]

I find them too expensive to produce and to faith purchase by the time they become available. Maybe they are useful when you are not seeking religious units, but as an owner, only the Mosque makes sense. And also, is there any reason why the AI almost always pick a Worship Beliefs as its first?

 

[Velvet glove]

I agree, other than the Mosque the others don't seem to cut it. In some special situations they might be of use like Wats for a no-Campus SV challenge or on an extreme map where the special thing is very needed, but in general they don't seem to be a great investment of production and the faith takes many turns to pay for itself if purchased that way.

No good reason for Worship first, especially since they can't build them until Temple at which point they can Evangelize. Reserving would be the reason but except for the Mosque for RV the others aren't worth reserving.

 

[Galvatron]

The worship buildings are more weak because religion is weak... but you guys are forgetting that as a third tier of building they increase the effect of other specialists in the district, which if you need faith is good in and of itself.

I remember reading a rationalisation for why the AI chooses them first and it's allegedly something about how the AI can evaluate the value of buildings more easily, so it tends to see the beliefs as inflated in value.

 

[Bliss]

but you guys are forgetting that as a third tier of building they increase the effect of other specialists in the district, which if you need faith is good in and of itself.

You mean the extra Citizen Slot?

 

[Galvatron]

No, they make citizen slots, all of them, provide an additional faith point.

Instead of 2 faith, they give 3 faith. So a holy site with three buildings and three specialists provides 9 faith, rather than 6.

This was added in the last patch. All the other districts' 3rd tier buildings do the same.

But yeah the bonus besides that is kinda weenie.

 

[Bliss]

No, they make citizen slots, all of them, provide an additional faith point.

Instead of 2 faith, they give 3 faith. So a holy site with three buildings and three specialists provides 9 faith, rather than 6.

This was added in the last patch. All the other districts' 3rd tier buildings do the same.

But yeah the bonus besides that is kinda weenie.

I used to agree but the production cost feels expensive. Don't you think?

 

[Galvatron]

Yes and no.

1. Yes it is expensive, but...

2. I tend to have a pool of faith sitting around, and it pays off quickly enough to be worth buying

In other words: I always buy it with faith, and faith doesn't have enough uses to be in demand, so I end up spending it on getting more faith.

Not to mention there are easy ways to get discounts, like the theocratic bonus, which pushes you into the black... faith black, really quickly.

So this comes back to my earlier point about faith being kinda useless. Unless you go out of your way to make it useful, but that's silly; could you imagine having to go out of your way to make gold useful? Could you imagine if you unlocked uses for gold like purchasing units or whatever only after you've built banks and stock exchanges? Certainly there is an argument for that, but not having to do that for one currency and having to do it for another is not a recipe for balance.

 

[Minou]

Yes they are all pretty weak except Mosque but at least provide a use for extra faith. Exception is when Arabia hooks you up with ultra discount buildings!

 

[Victoria]

You can buy a lot with faith and also the buildings are useful for other things like mega cities.
Perhaps you forget but when you go for a high production city like near 100 production these things are just simple.

 

[Bliss]

You can buy a lot with faith and also the buildings are useful for other things like mega cities.
Perhaps you forget but when you go for a high production city like near 100 production these things are just simple.

I agree! But by the time they are available... it always seems unworthy.

 

[Casualty of war]

The Great Work slot from Cathedrals can be pretty helpful.

 

[Victoria]

The Great Work slot from Cathedrals can be pretty helpful.

I found the opposite. The only thing they can hold is a religious work of art, for very little value. You would think that a building holding one specific item would get some bonus but nope, no chance to theme, just utter rubbish,especially as religious works of art are by far the most easiest to theme in an art museum.