What do you do in a Cold War type of situation?

[EQandcivfanatic]

Right now on Regent lvl I am playing as England and have a Cold War type of Situation with America. We both have 70-90 ICBM and i have tactical nukes off of his coast near all of his major ports and cities. Also there are 4 minor civs remaining only one with ICBMs, and i think he only has one or two of them. I control two of the 6 continents and the Americans control all of one big supercontinent. the rest are divided among the remaining four civs. Recently Me and America have signed Embargos against eachother with other civs and things keep looking like it will go nuclear. Any suggestions on how the heck i can avoid a nuclear war?

 

[Tassadar]

Built 5 sam missile site and then the small wonder SDI. I think a conquest vicory is impossible in your situation so if you want to win built spaceshipe. I never had a such critical situation in my game, very scarry ( 80 icbm over my head)

 

[Knowze Gungk]

If you have more nukes than Abe has cities, then you could drop one in every city he has, in a sneak attack, & then play it from there...

Well, it's near the end of the game. So don't you think it's time for an apocalypse?


(The "" isn't there for an particular reason, I just put it there because it made me laugh out loud when I saw it)

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

I just finished that game. What happened was right after i saved, Abe nuked, using everything he had, my most expendable colony which had horrible corruption and didnt really add much to my empire. After laughing my head off i returned his fire, wiping out his capitol, all cities 12+, and every luxury and stradegic resource he had. Soon after he surrender and i took most of his remaining cities from him. I won by a spaceship victory BTW.

 

[Richard III]

Using everything he had meaning 70-90 ICBMs?

Sounds like a serious AI flaw to me...

 

[Mikal]

yeah that would be, no offense, but if the AI had that many nukes it should've just laid a spread so he devastated your entire continent. Or maybe Abe just wanted that colony and nothing else?

 

[TheDS]

Yeah, can you clear that up? And maybe attach the savegame file from a turn or two before the attack, so we can analyze it for ourselves? Please?

 

[Maple]

Wouldn't that be a Nuclear War? A Cold War is when you fight through nations. (America fought through South Vietnam against the USSR. The USSR fought through North Vietnam)

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

When you put it that way Maple you're right it is Nuclear wasr. And no i can post a save because my computer with the cave is many, many miles away. I wont be able to until i get back from the Bahamas sometime in mid-June.

 

[Chingis Khan]

Originally posted by Maple
Wouldn't that be a Nuclear War? A Cold War is when you fight through nations. (America fought through South Vietnam against the USSR. The USSR fought through North Vietnam)

The Cold War was fought between USA and the USSR. It was called a cold war because it was bloodless. Neither side wanted to start shooting off nukes because of the Mutually Assured Destruction concept. Once a nuke is launched, it would then become a nuclear war.
P.S. I would have loved to have seen Abe do what EQandCivfanatic described. I can only imagine your insane laughter as you counter attacked!!! I love civ 3...

 

[Evincar]

What on earth do you smoke EQandcivfanatic??

If you and Abe have 70-90 ICBM you can destroy every city the other has. Thus, the first in attacking wins and can keep the "two or thre hundred polluted squares land". How on earth did u get to that extreme??

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

I got to that extreme by building in almost all my cities ICBMs and i assume he did too. He would have also been a backward civ if it wasnt for me. He had been one of my most loyal allies until he backstabbed me suddenly capturing my only colony from the war with the Germans. During that war i had helped Abe get to the Modern Age. we both started building nukes at the same time. Thank god for spies otherwise i would have attacked him without knowing he had nukes.

 

[Shabbaman]

Interesting.

Did you scout for enemy nuclear subs? You could start with locating his subs and prepare to take them out first. That way you might not need to worry about his tacticals. The obvious solution would be the integrated defence, but I take it that you'd already figured that one out.

Perhaps you could make the first strike, and then capture as many of his cities in the same turn. Then his number of icbm's will be greatly reduced. Little chance there won't be a counterstrike though.

Final solution: space race.

 

[Concona]

Come on it`s sounds great a cold war, because its exciting my only fear are tanks and stuff like that

You did that nice, and i had a problem with yhe space race i had everything but it didn`t fly, ore goes it automaticly, i really haVE NO idea, o jeah could you send me a mail with the answer please to Geerligs_d@hotmail.com

 

[Fayadi]

Interesting I love Cold War!Attach the file,I WANT TO TRY IT!!Attach come'n

 

[marshal zhukov]

The concept Of Cold War went far beyond the ICBM, SLBM and IRBM ( to Europe ) threats. It was the high state of alert maintained by both NATO and Warsaw Pact forces, the risk of war at any moment, and the never ending arms race between US and the USSR that characterizes the meaning of Cold War.

The arms race would best characterize the Cold War.
In mine opinon without arms race there can be no Cold War by that we can conclude that the threat of nuclear war is not a necessary ingredient to the the mentioned term.

To say that the Cold War was the risk of nuclear war means 2 things:
1- that you are wrong
2- that you didn't live in Europe, because they had, besides the threat nuclear war , 26.000 tanks of the once mighty Soviet Union breathing down their necks every single day.

 

[Hurin]

The Cold War was characterized by two global political vision being completely opposed to one another. Both visions essentially believed that the world wasn't big enough for both of them (since communism and capitalism are essentially antithetical to each other).

Essentially, what we had for fifty years was two world factions that *would* have gone to war and decimated each other if not for the certainty that nuclear weapons would make the aftermath unthinkable.

The term "cold war" means exactly that. . . it was a war. . . with all the hatred, mistrust, and aggression that the word implies. . . but it was "cold" (meaning no direct "shooting") because neither side was prepared to lose everything in a nuclear holocaust.

Oh, and I'm glad we won.

And by winning, I mean our economic system proved more resilient and capable of sustaining both domestic priorities *and* the military arms race that the mutual distrust/fear demanded of that era demanded.

Best Regards,

Hurin

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

I have a save of the game except I had gotton some of the details on the geography wrong. Will post it as soon as I get up in the morning.

 

[TheDS]

Well, I just had a thought. You probably have enough nukes now. 2 or 3 per enemy city is enough. Now you need to build up your conventional forces. By this I mean Modern Armor and Transports and Battleships. You should build 1 MA per enemy land combat unit, 1 Transport per 8 MA, and 1 Battleship/AEGIS Cruiser per Transport.

Once you build all this, you position it just outside his territory. Next turn, when you have all your movement points, move the transports in and land tanks on his territory, around his cities, but not adjacent to them.

That turn, he'll ask you to get out, but won't auto-move you. Your following turn, declare war and nuke each city at least twice. This will kill off about 3/4 of the defenders and leave the rest so weak they are unable to resist. 1 MA should be able to kill off any enemy unit, and possibly several. Also, the nukes affect the squares adjacent to the impact zone, so that's why you don't get next to the cities.

The Nukes are your artillery. No need for Arty or Bombardment; that's not what the BBs are for. They are to plant on the transports to keep them safe. Once you've nuked a city twice, take it. Do what you want with it. Razing is best, because think of all that clean up and rebuilding you'd have to do.

If you get ALL of his cities in ONE TURN, he CAN'T counterattack.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Actually after i nuked him all i did was send 3 Modern Infantry over and conquered his entire nation. All he could send against me was 1 rifleman who had been exploring when the nukes hit. Bad news on the save though. My computer has been suffering from a lack of memory space and i have needed to delete some save files to make room for the Shadows of Luclin expansion pack for EQ. All i have left from that game is in the early modern age right before we started racing to build nukes. Is that ok?

BTW, earlier someone had mentioned that a cold war is a war where countries don't directly fight against eachother but through other countries. Just to see if i could make that kind of situation i created a scenario where there are two strong nations (using the player modifier in the editor) and the rest are weak. The strong ones start out with a lot of technology and resources. They are both on large continents. Then on another continent is the other 14 civs. It gets pretty crowded there as you may imagine.

Anyway, using this setup me (Greece) and the other superpower (France) manipulate the 14 little civs to fight eachother and supply resources to the ones we like. This has only worked once though when i tried it. If anyone is interested i can post the scenario on the map page.