What the hell!!!!!!!!

The game is saposed to be realilstick... come on u know as good as i do even paratropers chold [with no sweet] beat rifel men.. in real life.. now i dont see how pepoel can say the game is realilstck when rifel men win vs partroopers or spearman wins vs tank.... :mad:
 
A rifleman could easily beat a paratrooper if he was fortified. But i think that a spearman should not be able to beat a tank:vomit:.
 
Originally posted by Raiden
A rifleman could easily beat a paratrooper if he was fortified.
That's right. The rifleman unit represents many more soldiers than the paratrooper unit. Generally, a paratroooper unit will be crushed if caught. They rely on the element of surprise to attack crucial enemy installations, especially, rail, road, bridge, wire, fuel, etc. If they are caught before they can egress or be rescued, they are usually scattered and destroyed as effective fighting units.
 
On the defence, a paratrooper is almost as tough as an infantry. Pillaging would probably be their best role. Or helping out with taking an island when you don't have a good navy. But if you do, then use it! :)
 
I mean in real life a paratrooper cold whipe out a rifelmen.. can u see paratroopers in the civil war!!!!! what ever team had them wold win for sher and one other thing how can tanks lose to rifel men allso.. so a tank unit might have ben hut and have only a few left in it but still how can a rifel penatrate 2 to 4 inces of still armor plating.. thay have no ata or any thing [anti tank aterlery]:mad:
 
1) Planes weren't even invented when the civil war was going on, so no. I cannot imagine one. Of course the side with them woul also win, because they have the air superiority.

2) It doesn't take much to sneak up into a tank, open or hack the latch open, throw in a grenade, and run and wait for the explosion.

Don't take combat at face-value. You'd have to be an idiot to stand barrel-to-barrel with a tank and shoot each other at close range. Same with infantry. They don't just stand there and shoot each other.
 
There seems to be some question regarding whether a force of rifle musket equiped infantry could win against a force of paratroopers. Even with the equipment available to the WWII paratrooper, the paratroopers would win. Anyone who doubts this is probably a testicle deficient geek and arm -chair General who knows squat about the affairs of real men. signed a former US Army Ranger NCO.
:mad:
 
hay first of all tanks have locks on them and have infantry saport.
u just dont send in tanks alone. u have seen to many moveis
the last post was done by a feind of mien so no yelling at me
 
Yeah. Paratroopers advancing on a group of riflemen, whom I might mention had accurate weapons, fortified behind bunkers or some other sort of fortification are going to win.

I look it as infantry without the snazzy M-16 which fires in bursts of 2 or 3. There weapons may not be as good, but the tactics employed certainly haven't changed because of that. And what in the world is a rifle musket?

And um, in all the movies I've seen, there usually was infantry support of some kind.

Please, just accept the reality of statistics and stop complaining, or up the strength of the paratrooper so it lessens the chance of it happening even more.
 
Dear Civilian puke: I mean no disrespect of course-you cannot help being ignorant, becasuse you are a nasty LEG. (a non paratrooper) Naploeonic muskets were smoothbore weapons. What is a rifled musket you ask (in ignorance)? By the American civil war rifling had been introduced which greatly increased the accuracy of these otherwise (still) muzzle loaded weapons. A well trained riflemen of that era could fire perhaps three rounds per minute. Many Civil war Generals who had dutifully studied Napolonic tactics were rahter slow to catch on to the fact that this rifling of the muskets barrels produced a much greater "effective" range.


Note: they did have breech loaded carbines but they were not in widespread use until late in war, except by Union Cavalry.

I do not have time to educate you on tactics. Suffice to say however; that barring someone of limited imagination or intelligence (such as Nasty LEG) being placed in command of a force of paratroopers-the musket equipped force could not hope to prevail either in the attack or defense.

Paratroopers of even WWII were better equipped and trained than you apparently realize. Modern paratroopers ...well lets just say that I'd be willing to test your theory. My old unit B Co 2/504 Inf/ 82nd ABN DIV against you and a force of musket equipped men of even ten times our number. Fortifified or not.

Regarding infantry throwing grenades down hatches of tanks.
Surely you are not serious. You have obtained your knowledge from hollywood perhaps...

Tanks (in anybodys army) usually work in concert with infantry.
(By the way you can lock hatches) It is true that in restrictive terrain (ie dense woods, forest urban environments etc..) armor is vulnerable to a variety of measures to incapacitate or kill them...but I find it difficult to believe that musket or spear equipped infantry would do much more than wet there pants sat the sight of oncoming armor.









:rolleyes:
 
woah RedBaron!

You're damn right about Paras and about the Infatry/Tank thing, the problem being the porr implmentation of combat in Civ3! I'm looking forward to a game where we get integrated troops, too, say we can throw our tanks at the enemy with infantry support and timely (or not) air attacks.... but that isn't possible in Civ :(

Aside from that it would be nice of you to include a ;) or :) after LEG, just for friendlyness :)
 
*sigh*

Citizen puke? That's a new one. Look, there really is no need to resort to personal insults. I am sorry that I am not privileged enough to be a paratrooper.

I do not have time to educate you on tactics.

Are there any good books on military tactics I could find? I am a little interested in that. I have a book on WWII tanks (I got it from the library though), but that has nothing on tactics used.

Regarding infantry throwing grenades down hatches of tanks.
Surely you are not serious. You have obtained your knowledge from hollywood perhaps...

Mostly. Actually, I remember a story of a tank being hi-jacked by some rogue soldier and being taken through a rampage on the streets. Finally, they killed him by opening the latch and shooting him. Too bad it had to end that way though.

[qupte]but I find it difficult to believe that musket or spear equipped infantry would do much more than wet there pants sat the sight of oncoming armor. [/quote]

Me too, actually. I kinda laugh when I see infantry beat a tank, but that happens less with modern armor.

But seriously, there is no need to insult my intelligence because I haven't been in the military (too young), or studied battlefield tactics. Don't sue me man, I just never found a book on it.
 
Soryy. No personal insult was really (seriously) intended. Soldiers are not better than civilians, and not having been a paratrooper does not make you less of a human being or a man. I apologise for being a tad...overzealous in that regard with my comments.
I was just being aggressive out of habit. Perhaps a flaw in my character. I wish you well.:goodjob:
 
Originally posted by bobgote
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And as for the spearmen vs tank, these things occasionally happen (as I'm sure Zouave could tell you, tho i think he's focusing on culture flipping now), but not regularly enough to be too bad. And hopefully if you've got tanks vs. spearmen, you're survival won't be depending on that one battle.

Actually right now it's the lousy user interface in the Diplomacy screen; micromanagement in the Modern era; and various aspects of Settler Diarrhea!
 
thats my freind who wanted to say that stuff not me so dont be mad at me. im the one who left all but the 2..


Paratrooper again:

I would concede that given the right set of circumstances almost anything is possible...but really the game should not have paratroopers or armor (ie 20th century combat units) be defeated by ancient and or civil war era troops like my friend reports has happened to him.

Again sorry about the military education crack. You requested some good books on tactics. I appreciate your attitude. I'll get back to you on that but specify a little more what era. For general reading I highly recommend "The Forgotten Soldier"
by GUY SAYER. He was a German Soldier during the Second World War. He gives excellent first hand accounts from the Soldiers point of view. One of the best books I have ever read.
You can put ypur BS detector on stand by mode for this one. That is a very rare thing in itself!


More later on tactics...I am just too tired now.
 
Originally posted by RedBaron635
I do not have time to educate you on tactics. Suffice to say however; that barring someone of limited imagination or intelligence (such as Nasty LEG) being placed in command of a force of paratroopers-the musket equipped force could not hope to prevail either in the attack or defense.
Good point. No matter the type of unit, it can still be overcome if unwisely led or deployed. WWII-style paratroopers were not used for direct assault on infantry. These small groups of courageous men were dropped behind enemy lines in dangerous missions to disrupt the enemy's movements and communications. They were small in numbers and were not meant to take and hold ground for any length of time. Watch "The Longest Day" for a typical view of the use of paratroopers. They were sent in to hold crossroads just long enough for ground forces to relieve them. If friendly ground forces didn't show, they would eventually be scattered and destroyed by enemy ground forces.
 
Originally posted by RedBaron635
I would concede that given the right set of circumstances almost anything is possible...but really the game should not have paratroopers or armor (ie 20th century combat units) be defeated by ancient and or civil war era troops like my friend reports has happened to him.

The common view is that the tanks attack a line of spearman who just stand there while the tank fires. This is not correct. Each turn is at least a year. The spearmen wait till night, they attack while the enemy sleeps, they attack their communications and logistics, they attack when they get drunk, they bribe the guards, they set fires, they steal weapons, they instigate jealousy in the enemy ranks, they make their lives miserable, they take advantage of mistakes, they sacrifice their lives, and maybe, just maybe (with a rare randomizer result) they prevail. Generally, anyone who enters a war against a committed enemy with the belief that there will be no casualties is deluding himself.

By the way, when using combined arms and a little common sense, the 1/100 chance of a spearman defeating a tank is reduced to negligible.
 
Originally posted by Zouave


Actually right now it's the lousy user interface in the Diplomacy screen; micromanagement in the Modern era; and various aspects of Settler Diarrhea!
Can you give me the address of a thread for the diplomacy screen?


Mr Military Tactics:
Given good fortifications, even in real life, i would imagine spearmen could beat tanks. Surely tanks aren't so good in close combat with a highly mobile enemy. (remember that in Civ3 the tanks are unsupported in attack)

I do agree that the combat is somewhat basic and unrealistic, but as i said before it shouldn't make too much difference other than you losing one unit.
 
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