When you run out of gold...

[JaGarLo]

If we got $0 with negative income, our science production decreases.

But how it works exactly?

- Do you lose science every turn? (If I got $-12 per turn, I lose 12 science per turn)
- Or do you lose science, depending on your negative income? (If I got $-12 per turn, I produce -12 science until I can get back on my feet)

And if science runs out as well... What happens next?

Thanks for answers!

 

[fmlizard2]

I didn't know about the hit. I thought they would disband your units until you got back into the black.

 

[qemist]

I didn't know about the hit. I thought they would disband your units until you got back into the black.

That's what I thought. I don't much like it. If you're at war it would make more sense to sell buildings and delete road segments until the treasury is non-negative. Most governments would prioritize the military when they are at war. Reducing science makes no sense because you don't pay gold for it.

 

[chazzycat]

If I recall correctly, it's only a very small cushion that science provides. I had the popup come up in my last game. I don't remember with 100% certainty, but I think that science will only cover a deficit of 5 gold per turn. Then anything more than that would cause units to be disbanded.

 

[Agamemnus]

Definitely those improvements should have just shut down or been eroded before units get the can. Very early on, I am spending quite a lot of my income on quickly necessary terrain improvements.

 

[chazzycat]

I'd rather give up units than roads. That would break trade routes, and depending on the hex selected, could be devastating to your economy when it's already on the brink.

 

[Agamemnus]

Well, if you have no units and are still at a negative you are just dead meat.

 

[chazzycat]

yeah but disbanding units gives you gold and GPT. lose one road and you could lose your entire army next turn. disband one unit and you can save the rest.

 

[wobuffet]

If I recall correctly, it's only a very small cushion that science provides. I had the popup come up in my last game. I don't remember with 100% certainty, but I think that science will only cover a deficit of 5 gold per turn. Then anything more than that would cause units to be disbanded.

I think this is correct. My understanding is that

If you have gold to spare in your treasury, you pay Gold for running a deficit.
If you're out of gold and you're losing anywhere between 1–5 gold per turn, you lose that amount of Science per turn.
If you're losing 5+ gold per turn, you'll start losing units. I'm not sure if you lose only one unit per turn max or not.

 

[Babri]

I think this is correct. My understanding is that

If you have gold to spare in your treasury, you pay Gold for running a deficit.
If you're out of gold and you're losing anywhere between 1–5 gold per turn, you lose that amount of Science per turn.
If you're losing 5+ gold per turn, you'll start losing units. I'm not sure if you lose only one unit per turn max or not.

That pretty much answers the question. A quick way to get out of trouble would be to employ merchants & focus big cities on gold.

 

[JaGarLo]

Ok, thanks everyone for the anwsers. But if you suddenly get nuked and you go from $50/turn to $-200/turn you'd have to disband your whole army... In other words, you would become defenseless against any invasion.

Interesting.

 

[MasterMishi]

sell lux/ res for gold up front and then dow to get the lux back is an option, disband workers , use GP they all cost money, pop a GA

 

[Becomedeath]

Ok, thanks everyone for the anwsers. But if you suddenly get nuked and you go from $50/turn to $-200/turn you'd have to disband your whole army... In other words, you would become defenseless against any invasion.

Interesting.

If you're getting nuked and don't have a counter strike available, you're pretty screwed anyway until you sort out the mess. The loss of a few cities in that instance might actually help your overall position.

Either way, you've got a mess to clean up.

 

[apocalypse105]

There Is a option gold focus in the cities do it you will see a huge difference...

 

[Ranos]

You can also sell buildings. Gain gold from the selling and increase your gpt.

 

[Agamemnus]

Speaking of "focus"ed production.... does it actually give more of the "focus"ed resource than if I were to manually allocate the city in the same way? The GUI hints it does.... too tired to open Civ and check...

 

[RenegadePeon]

Unless a patch changed it, I have had deficits of 20+ and no gold and the only thing that happened was production reduction and no science. I have never seen a unit get disbanded.