Where did the Western Civilization truly begin?

[IceBlaZe]

This is a strong question. I'll hand in options.
Greece
Rome
France
England
United States
Israel of the Hebrews
Egypt
Other

Don't get angry at me for including someone not-suitable or forgetting someone suitable.
I tried my best, and you can always choose other and specify. The point of this poll is the argument itself, not the voting options.
Thanks

 

[china444]

Greece.

(NOTE: I am Greek)

Seriously, Alex the Great started it. Or Caesar. They are tied. Since I am Greek, Greece gets the edge!

 

[IceBlaZe]

Why did I include Israel?
The Hebrew society (The bible).

 

[china444]

I never questioned you putting in Israel...

 

[Hitro]

Stop apologizing Ice.

But please tell me what you regard as the Western Civilization. It all depends on that.

 

[Flak]

It started with the Native Americans in North America with some influence from the South American Natives.

 

[D' Artagnan]

True. Define 'western civilization' as it is a vague concept

 

[Kentonio]

ITS BEGUN!?!?!?!

 

[Hitro]

Good point.

 

[History_Buff]

Germany. Most of the populations of the western world orignate there.

 

[Flak]

Originally posted by History_Buff
Germany. Most of the populations of the western world orignate there.

I don't think ANY of the Native American populations originated from Germany. If you could prove such a thing, that would be intriguing however.

Several posters have pointed quite correctly that this thing called 'Western Civilization' really needs some kind of a definition.

 

[MCdread]

Originally posted by History_Buff
Germany. Most of the populations of the western world orignate there.

What? Could you elaborate on that.

 

[Magnus]

A. I think this should be moved to the History Forum.

B. I think 'Western Civilization' began with the Greek City-States.

 

[Mojotronica]

I'd say Western Civilization is distinct enough f/ Roman and Greek Classical Civilization to say that it began after they fell. I'd credit Charlemagne's Francish empire, the first amalgum of Germanic and Classical cultures...

So it began in France.

The modern incarnation of Classical Civilization is probably best reflected by Latin America. They primarily speak Romance languages and worship in the church of Rome.

Western Civ is a Germanic-Romance blend.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

Originally posted by Magnus
A. I think this should be moved to the History Forum.

B. I think 'Western Civilization' began with the Greek City-States.

The Garden of Eden, for Adam was a white man from Oxfordshire and Eve was his French mistress


Seriously I agree that the Greek City States was where Western Civilization began, though we soon forgot about the tolerance of homosexuality and that the world is indeed round

 

[Akka]

I would say Greece. Our whole civilization is formed by several layers of cultures and previous civ, and the first one is Greece.

 

[Flak]

I know Greece is popular. But come on! Greece didn't even start in the west. And I don't know if anyone could say that just how deeply rooted Western Civilization exists in modern-day Greece.

The Native Americans developed the first civilizations ever to be truly successful and stable in the Western Hemisphere. Many of these cultures are still enriching our lives today. Look at the 'old West' mock-ups you see going on in Germany. They can't get enough of Native American Culture! This is where it began guys. This is where it began.

 

[Akka]

I don't really think that Native Americans are typical Wester Culture

 

[Architekt]

Originally posted by Flak
It started with the Native Americans in North America with some influence from the South American Natives.

What? you gotta be joking
I'd say the native americans were somewhat amalgamted into western culture but only recently if you consider the appropriate length of time

I agree..It started with the Greek city States

This is where it began guys. This is where it began.

My arse

 

[barron of ideas]

Western civilization, what a concept, I think we ought to try it.