Where should i put my FP?

[gunnerxtr]

Where do you think i should put my FP, I have it building in Rotterdam in 3 turns.... so theres still time to change if need be.....

 

[user37852]

I think the FP is most effective when it is as far from the capital as possible.

I suggest Sumer.

 

[gunnerxtr]

I'm fairly certain that in C3C (i probably should have mentioned the version) that the distance doesnt matter because it doesn't create a new core.... i could be wrong though, could one of the experts shed some light on this (I only play Monarch)

 

[Tomoyo]

Not Sumer. It would take forever to build. Rotterdam is fine, but not ideal. Utrecht would be my choice, but a fast FP is better than an optimal FP in this situation.

 

[CrackedCrystal]

I'm fairly certain that in C3C (i probably should have mentioned the version) that the distance doesnt matter because it doesn't create a new core.... i could be wrong though, could one of the experts shed some light on this (I only play Monarch)

If I am correct, it does not affect rank corruption, but it does affect distance corruption. So while it is not as powefull, it does help the surrounding cities.

 

[Ginger_Ale]

I would build it in Arnhem and move the Palace to Eindhoven. This will give you some nice cities, and while the FP and Palace aren't next to each other, they still keep corruption low in your cities.

 

[gunnerxtr]

Ok, so Utretch is the best place.... would it be worth switching over? would the benefits justify it?

EDIT: didnt see GA's post, hmmm that sounds like a good idea but sounds like a lot of turns on building them....

 

[Zakharov]

You didn't need to state the version in this case. The Dutch are only available in C3C.

Although there is a slight variation in corruption levels depending on where the FP is placed, I find the best strategy is to build it where it will be finished fastest. This usually means it will be in a city close to the capital.

 

[gunnerxtr]

ok then judging by Tomoyo and Zakharov's comments I think i will just leave it going in Rotterdam, in favor of not wasting sheilds. Thanks for the comments and fast responses, I'll keep the other suggestions in mind for next game.

 

[user37852]

If I read correctly, CrackedCrystal agreed with my overall point.

I wouldn't build the FP so close to my capital, I would consider that to be a complete waste of time. If you want it done quicker than in Sumer, put it in Ur. And Build a city to lower left of Ur, too.

 

[brinko]

lagash has a nice city ring around it...

 

[user37852]

lagash has a nice city ring around it...

Yes. But I would actually build a city just left of Lagash, where the forest is, and have the FP in there later on. That would be perfect.

 

[Zakharov]

lagash has a nice city ring around it...

You can't create a second core. The FP no longer does that in C3C. It's main effect is to increase the Nopt (optimal city number).

I think the FP is most effective when it is as far from the capital as possible.

Only in vanilla and PTW, where you can create a second core.

I wouldn't build the FP so close to my capital, I would consider that to be a complete waste of time.

How would it be a waste of time? The Nopt will increase sooner if you build the FP close to the capital.

 

[user37852]

But I would rather decrease corruption significantly in one city, and in the surrounding cities.

Is my thinking wrong? :S

 

[Zakharov]

If I am correct, it does not affect rank corruption, but it does affect distance corruption. So while it is not as powefull, it does help the surrounding cities.

Actually it's the other way round. It affects the rank corruption by increasing the optimal number of cities. The FP has no effect on distance corruption in C3C, which is why it can no longer be used to establish a second core.

Here is a link to alexman's excellent corruption article in the war academy:

LINK

 

[user37852]

But the FP still reduces corruption in the cities around it, doesn't it?

 

[Evincar]

That article actually says FP affects distance, not rank...

I am completely puzzled. What does the FP exactly does?
a) Affects rank?
b) Affects distance?
c) Doubles OCN?

If it is c), then I may as well buy the FP in my second city

 

[Zakharov]

But the FP still reduces corruption in the cities around it, doesn't it?

Yes, but only because it is present in the empire and not because of where it is. If this isn't true then alexman's formula for distance corruption is incomplete.

 

[Zakharov]

That article actually says FP affects distance, not rank...

I am completely puzzled. What does the FP exactly does?
a) Affects rank?
b) Affects distance?
c) Doubles OCN?

If it is c), then I may as well buy the FP in my second city

I read that too. It seems that the conclusion has no relevance to the formulae, as the FP is only a factor in the rank corruption formula. As I have just stated, it may well be that alexman's formulae are incomplete.

 

[CrackedCrystal]

the FP is only a factor in the rank corruption formula

I believe this is not true, it affects the distance. So if a city is 20 tiles from the capitol, and 5 from the FP, its distance corruption is based on 5 tiles, not 20. However, its rank corruption is only changed by the increase in OCN.

But the FP still reduces corruption in the cities around it, doesn't it?

Yes, however since it no longer reduces rank of cities, it is much less than in PTW or vanilla.

From alexman's guide to corruption C3C edition:

For all non-communal government types, the distance corruption component is proportional to the distance of a given city from its closest Palace... The “closest palace” to a city can be the Palace, the Forbidden Palace, or any other Wonder with the “reduces corruption” ability.