Which unrevealed civ you want to turn out most "right"?

[TheMeInTeam]

I want to see a trade-based Mongolia that co-opts enemy technologies similar to Assyria in Civ 5. Units emphasize mobility, with some form of horse archer being their UU again. Kublai and Genghis both work.

 

[benjamin28]

Yes, but the Aztecs themselves would appear to have been in the Classical Era.

I'm not sure you can equate Precolumbian history with European timeline, but I get what you mean. Anyway, it makes no sense to have a Jaguar warrior in 4000 BC when the aztecs settled for the first time in 1325 AD. I'm not saying the UU should replace the musketman, but at least make it a replacement for the swordsman or the medieval infantry (if there is one). Also, they could add the ability to turn defeated enemies into workers. And maybe sacrifice them for faith? :O

 

[Zaarin]

I'm not sure you can equate Precolumbian history with European timeline, but I get what you mean. Anyway, it makes no sense to have a Jaguar warrior in 4000 BC when the aztecs settled for the first time in 1325 AD. I'm not saying the UU should replace the musketman, but at least make it a replacement for the swordsman or the medieval infantry (if there is one). Also, they could add the ability to turn defeated enemies into workers. And maybe sacrifice them for faith? :O

Having a warrior with an obsidian-spiked wooden club replacing an iron-wielding swordsman doesn't really make much sense either, though. Replacing the Classical swordsman might work, though. If I recall correctly, that's what they did with the Iroquois.

It's true that New World history doesn't line up neatly according to Old World historical eras--after all, the Mesoamericans had bronze yet, given that they never used it for weapons or armor or even significantly for tool-making, it's hard to call them "bronze age." Yet given that they did have bronze-working for making ornaments, it's also difficult to call them "neolithic." Given their overall technological state, however, I think they fit best in Civ's Classical Era; in a game like Civ, tech-level is more indicative than date--it's worth recalling that neolithic tribes still exist in 2016 in the real world.

 

[benjamin28]

It's true that New World history doesn't line up neatly according to Old World historical eras.

That is precisely why we don't invoke these comparisons in History (well, at least in Latin America. It might be a local trend). We seldom use phrases such as "bronze age", "iron age" and the like because they suggest there's a unique technological line to follow. I realize there's an abbyss between fighting with a wooden club and firing a musket. But I woulnd't dare to say Spaniards were technological more "advanced" than Aztecs: there are a lot of areas where mesoamerican cultures had a more precise knowledge.

Anyway, I only wish the jaguar warriors are not a replacement for ancient warriors nor they have a bonus in jungle and forest. It makes no sense.

 

[King Jason]

civ IV Jaguar replaced swordsman. It was slightly weaker, slightly cheaper, and did not require Iron. All seemed reasonable to me.

 

[Ikael]

That is precisely why we don't invoke these comparisons in History (well, at least in Latin America. It might be a local trend). We seldom use phrases such as "bronze age", "iron age" and the like because they suggest there's a unique technological line to follow. I realize there's an abbyss between fighting with a wooden club and firing a musket. But I woulnd't dare to say Spaniards were technological more "advanced" than Aztecs: there are a lot of areas where mesoamerican cultures had a more precise knowledge.

Anyway, I only wish the jaguar warriors are not a replacement for ancient warriors nor they have a bonus in jungle and forest. It makes no sense.

Well, both Aztecs and Incans were compared to bronce age empires such as the Romans or the Macedonians due to their social organization level, and I do think that this is a quite apt comparation, me thinks (city states, public roads, literature, knowledge of bronze working, etc, etc).

Perhaps Jaguars should replace swordmans or spearmans? One thing is sure, they are not a military unit that could have created by a neolithic society.

 

[Zaarin]

One thing is sure, they are not a military unit that could have created by a neolithic society.

Why not? The macuahuitl is not a particularly advanced piece of technology; similar weapons were used by neolithic cultures. Neolithic cultures are generally more inclined towards skirmishes than warfare, but this does not preclude warrior societies like the Juguar Knights. Also, as Civ6 is now finally acknowledging, social and technological level are not precisely correlated; compare the Pacific Northwest cultures, neolithic hunter-gatherers who had advanced cultural and social customs comparable to far more technologically advanced agricultural societies. Yes, PNW is unique in this sense--the bounty of the sea and the forests allowed them to live a more sedentary lifestyle than typical of hunter-gatherers. But the point stands that social and technological advancement are distinct.