Personally, I would go Kushans or Scythia. Scythia is actually a good choice in general - the Bulgars were Turkic steppe nomads from the Volga, as were the Scythians.
Guaraní works for me. I believe Paraguay embraced the Guaraní language as their own, which would make them valid for modern. I don't know enough about the Mapuche to commit them to Modern - their Civ6 kit appears better suited for Exploration tbh.
I like the idea of Maratha! Maurya => Gurjara => Maratha covers the northern half of India quite nicely. It does raise the question of what we do with the Chola though. If we hypothetically add Gurjara and Maratha, do we then create a three act Tamil line with a separate leader?
Anacaona works more as a Caribbean leader than as a NA leader. I was thinking more in line with Molly Brant, JIgonsahse, Osh-Tisch or Sacagawea. Or a man with a less militant profile, so that our axe-wielding friend stands out a bit more.
NA tribes are tricky to deal with because of their (warranted) extreme caution. You'd have to check if they would want to appear and possibly share a path with the Mississipians or Shawnee And whether they're okay with voicing a leader if possible. and then ALSO check what name they go by, and what parts of their culture should be represented in the game.
With no restrictions I think the best possible lines would be Pueblo => Hopi/Zuni/Apache => Navajo, or Huron => Iroquois => Cree, with also adding Cherokee or Lakota as an alternative to Tecumseh. Realistically, we probably get the Cherokee to complete the Tecumseh line, and that'll be all of NA done for the entire cycle.
I like those NA tribe paths, but I fear you're right that we may only get one more which would be a real shame. So many interesting cultures there. As for Chola, I think that could just be one of the alternatives for that region, if the player's inclined to go for maritime gameplay. I also would like to see Bengal in the game and I wouldn't expect that to be tied to a three-act path either.
Himiko:
Let me be very clear here: Japan SHOULD have three incarnations per Era, just like China and India. It doesn't matter whether the Antiquity incarnation is Heian Japan or Yamatai - it should be the ONLY Civ Himiko can lead in Antiquity.
In Exploration, one of the Shogunates (ideally Edo or Kamakura) should be added to give Himiko her default option, while she obviously defaults to Meiji in Modern.
As for the alternatives: I believe Majapahit and Siam are the most complimentary options in the region (i would NEVER be daft enough to assign Himiko to Korea OR China.)
Korea would indeed be an oof, but China?
Here's a Japanese article about the hands-on event starring Himiko:
指導者は19人の中から選ぶことができ、その中には日本の卑弥呼の姿がありました。今回は卑弥呼におすすめとなっていた「ミシシッピ」文明でスタート。ちなみにもうひとつのおすすめ文明はクメールだったのですが、「漢」ではなく「クメール」と「ミシシッピ」がおすすめになっているのかは謎です。
You can select from 19 leaders and Japan's Himiko makes an appearance among them. We started with the Himiko-suggested "Mississipian" civilisation. By the way, the other suggested civilisation was "Khmer" and we are still puzzled why they suggest "Khmer" and "Misssissipians" instead of "Han".
Similarly on the Chinese side, I can't speak in absolutes but BiliBili was full of people playing the Chinese path as either Confucius or Himiko.
She's really not that ridiculous of a second option for Han (definitely less so than tying her to Khmer). That is, at least within the context of the game's original roster.
Ha, I suppose it's true. Spanish Catholicism does follow a few patterns.
It's a welcome suggestion. I'm not versed in FIlipino history, and I think it's more important to introduce a Filipino Civ for Rizal's journey through history, than which incarnation it exactly is, and what era they're featured in.
As long as they can make an interesting Civ and don't reduce him to like... token polynesian understudy status, despite not being polynesian.
Korea would indeed be an oof, but China?
Here's a Japanese article about the hands-on event starring Himiko:
指導者は19人の中から選ぶことができ、その中には日本の卑弥呼の姿がありました。今回は卑弥呼におすすめとなっていた「ミシシッピ」文明でスタート。ちなみにもうひとつのおすすめ文明はクメールだったのですが、「漢」ではなく「クメール」と「ミシシッピ」がおすすめになっているのかは謎です。
You can select from 19 leaders and Japan's Himiko makes an appearance among them. We started with the Himiko-suggested "Mississipian" civilisation. By the way, the other suggested civilisation was "Khmer" and we are still puzzled why they suggest "Khmer" and "Misssissipians" instead of "Han".
Similarly on the Chinese side, I can't speak in absolutes but BiliBili was full of people playing the Chinese path as either Confucius or Himiko.
She's really not that ridiculous of a second option for Han (definitely less so than tying her to Khmer). That is, at least within the context of the game's original roster.
I do not know how receptive the Chinese or Japanese are to each other, so I would not make such decisions without enough information. I am aware of the animosity between the Japanese and Koreans though.
If the Chinese don't have problem being represented by a Japanese queen, then that's one half of the equation. If the Japananese also don't have an issue with it, then sure, encourage some sino-japanese cross-pollination.
What I think is more important right now is to give Himiko a Japanese option in Antiquity and Exploration so that the players who pick her can have a historically accurate journey. One of the main reasons to plug the gaps is to make Civ Switching more grounded in history and appealing to the sceptics. Giving every already existing leader a believable journey through time tethered to their native civ is probably the most realistic way to accomplish that.
I don't know about Spain...? Spain KILLED Rizal and he opposed them for most of his life. It would be like having Joan of Arc lead the English.
Whatever the most historical path for the Philippines is that doesn't involve Spain is probably what Rizal should be unlocking. We need a naval themed Antiquity Civ in SEA to accomodate that. Maybe the Champa? (KHMER could have been that Civ since they had an extensive navy, but Khmer is instrinsically land-based in Civilization).
I don't know about Spain...? Spain KILLED Rizal and he opposed them for most of his life. It would be like having Joan of Arc lead the English.
Whatever the most historical path for the Philippines is that doesn't involve Spain is probably what Rizal should be unlocking. We need a naval themed Antiquity Civ in SEA to accomodate that. Maybe the Champa? (KHMER could have been that Civ since they had an extensive navy, but Khmer is instrinsically land-based in Civilization).
About Spain, I meant it with the base game. While Rizal did oppose colonialism, he did advocate for equality under Spanish rule, but ultimately he did want independence.
With your framework, Rizal can go through the Majapahit route. Some of Rizal's ancestors also did come from China, so having a path from Han and Ming is a possible solution. Should the Chinese path be too populated, a land based SEA or Indian to SEA route can work as well.
It’s bad luck how SEA is practically drowning in civs right now, but doesn’t have a solid thorough line for any of them. I do think we should get a either a Modern Vietnam or Exploration Siam w/ a Thai leader eventually.
Hawaii could have also done with having a Modern age counterpart considering they only lost independence well into the 19th century
It’s bad luck how SEA is practically drowning in civs right now, but doesn’t have a solid thorough line for any of them. I do think we should get a either a Modern Vietnam or Exploration Siam w/ a Thai leader eventually.
Hawaii could have also done with having a Modern age counterpart considering they only lost independence well into the 19th century
I think the current regional throughline of Khmer - Dai Viet - Siam works well enough but I wouldn't mind getting Burma and/or Champa much further down the line. For now, other regions need filling out.
Polynesia can be represented by Antiquity Tonga and Modern Maori.
I don't know about Spain...? Spain KILLED Rizal and he opposed them for most of his life. It would be like having Joan of Arc lead the English.
Whatever the most historical path for the Philippines is that doesn't involve Spain is probably what Rizal should be unlocking. We need a naval themed Antiquity Civ in SEA to accomodate that. Maybe the Champa? (KHMER could have been that Civ since they had an extensive navy, but Khmer is instrinsically land-based in Civilization).
Regardless, Philippines history is tied to Spain being a colony for hundreds of years, so it does make perfect sense for possibly Spain>Philippines as much as it does with other Eastern Asian civs.
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