Who explored the 'entire world first'

[marshalljames]

who was the first civ to explore the entire world

1) The Spanish
2) The British
3)The Italians
4)The Portogese
5)The Vikings
6)The Chinese
7)none of the above

 

[Apollo]

I don't think anybody had thoroughly explored the ice caps until we got satellites... so none of the above.

And don't forget that we still haven't explored beneath all the oceans, so it really depends on what you consider "the entire world."

 

[History_Buff]

Actually, I think the Carthaginians/Phoenicians had a good run exploration wise. They got to Britain, Egypt, South Africa, Ethiopia, Denmark, The mid east, close to China, and there is some evidence to suggest they may have made it to the new world, long before even the Vikings.

 

[Nahuixtelotzin]

The phoenician inscription found in Brazil however has been a fraud. The letters on the inscription are too regular and are almost identical to those one could find in 19th century encyclopedias. The grammar and sentence structure are also very unlikely to be of ancient origin.

 

[Kilroy]

There's evidence that China had journeyed to the New World not long after the Vikings. Couple that with the Ming voyages (when the Chinese explored almost to Gibraltar) and it's possible the Chinese explored a portion of the world not matched by the Europeans for 200 years or so. However, it's very doubtful they ever circumnavigated, which is probably the benchmark for having "explored the world."

 

[Ribannah]

Sadly missing in the poll are the Dutch, who explored in all directions, including arctic searoutes.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

The entire world? I doubt anybody has explored the center of the earth yet, so none of the above.

If the surface, I'll put it down simply to humans. It'll save up on all the nationalistic bickerings.

 

[Zwelgje]

Originally posted by Ribannah
Sadly missing in the poll are the Dutch, who explored in all directions, including arctic searoutes.

Ahhh thankfully someone who also knows about the Dutch explorers.......
Anyway, not one nation did the full exploration of the globe, I see it as a joint effort of humanity.

 

[History_Buff]

I dont want to rewrite the whole name, but you know who you are MR. Aztec, but I'm not basing it on that. They have found have rotted boat hulls submerged in the mud off of Venezeula. SO either they made it to the new world, or they cam pretty dang close.


And I also have to back up Kilroy, who has a good point. Apparently everyone seems to be going to the Gibralter. What a culturally diverse place it should be. But I remember reading about those voyages, which turned back because they saw an omen that told them that thier emporer had been overthrown, and I think by the time they got back they were right.

 

[History Guy]

I personally would not be too surprised if it happened to be the case that the Phoenicians or the Egyptians wound up at some point way back in time making a visit to South America. They had the sea power to do so, so why not? The Phoenicians were everywhere imaginable, having colonies as far off as the Canary Islands. These guys were incredible. I've always thought though, that it would be likely that somewhat got off to North America who'd seen a pyramid or a ziggarat and sort of gave the natives the idea.

So just think of it...guys walking around in the Americas looking like this...

Scary, ain't it?

As for the poll, I can't vote on it. As a bunch of you guys pointed out, the whole world has not been explored. In fact, half of it, at the least, remains to be explored...in submersibles. Whoever sees the first live giant squid in it's natural habitat will get my vote!

 

[Nahuixtelotzin]

History Buff: I guess I'm a heretic for you and I don't know that stzory about the ship. Anyway, the story obviously isn't very popular as there is little material I could find in a "quick-search" on that topic. I know that scholars for long time were also very "conservative" in the Viking-thing, but when reasonable proofs were made historians didn't hide it. So I guess that finding "undenyable proof" would not go unnoted or undebated by the scientific community.

I'm not saying that Phoenicians could not possibly have gone to America, but as proof is poor and "exchange" between the Old World and the New, whether it be wild-life, plants or culture, didn't take place, the following options seem possible to me:
a) no phoenician set foot on America.
b)one or two "accidental landfalls", because of storm or because some "mad navigator" wanted to go further westwards even after he hadn't seen land for quite some time, took place but had no effect, neither on America nor on the Phoenicians.

If knowledge of land bexond the ocean would have become accessible to a people like the Phoenicians they would have established quite a bit trade...

I'm tending not to believe such stories easily because I know how many people want to have it that way, not because I deny the possibility of proof coming up in the future.

 

[History Guy]

Nahuixtelotzin, I agree. It ain't fact till it's fact...

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

The answer is nobody.

Anything else is wrong.

 

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[Moff Jerjerrod]

The first civ to explore the world first and therefor gain an extra movement point for their ships was the first person ever to play CTP2.

 

[Adamski]

There is a fair amount of interesting evidence, and conjecture as to whether some of the ancient civs like Phoenicians or Egyptians or similar did indeed explore the new world and beyond, well before 15th (or even 10th for the Vikes) -century Europeans. Consider:

the 5000 year old Pyramid Ships with sea-prows found at Giza
the remarkable similarity in pyramid structures and legends in Egypt, and South and Central America.
A surprising body of evidence (much of it now hidden or dispersed) indicating that stone building cultures had settled in Australia and New Zealand. Its surprising that there has been a government controlled archaeological expedition of the Waipoua state forest in northern North Island, which resulted in a site and report which has been embargoed from public view for 75 years! :finger: Bastards. There is a lot of $hit being hidden from us.

 

[Juize]

the 5000 year old Pyramid Ships with sea-prows found at Giza
the remarkable similarity in pyramid structures and legends in Egypt, and South and Central America.
A surprising body of evidence (much of it now hidden or dispersed) indicating that stone building cultures had

You've been watching too much Stårgate...


Nobody has explored places such as lake Vostok yet, so none of the above...

 

[Sodak]

Yeah, that seems a bit of a stretch. As for pyramids, think of what anybody would do if they wanted a really big, tall construction. You would, before actual engineering tech allowed you to build sturdy walls, end up with a pyramid of some sort.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Hell, they have not even explored all of densely populated Europe yet.

 

[Graeme the mad]

I don't think anybody had thoroughly explored the ice caps until we got satellites... so none of the above.

What about those maps which I have temporarily forgotten the name of but some civfanatic who is better in every way than I am will know, that show antartica without ice caps on.

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