Why I Hate Apple

[lutzj]

Apple -and Jobs -constantly spew double standards. They brag about how their machines can run Windows, then threaten to sue anyone trying to run Mac OS on a PC. One second, they oppose 3G/ GPS iPhones, then tout them as key features. In addition they charge ridiculous margins on their hardware and are slowly taking control of all media. If Vista weren't so horrible, I'd be a M$ fanboi. That's how much I hate Apple.

 

[Aramazd]

Apple -and Jobs -constantly spew double standards. They brag about how their machines can run Windows, then threaten to sue anyone trying to run Mac OS on a PC. One second, they oppose 3G/ GPS iPhones, then tout them as key features.

Steve Jobs is a master of hype and BS. Remember how the PowerPC blew away Intel chips, then suddenly when Apple switched Intel was faster.

In addition they charge ridiculous margins on their hardware and are slowly taking control of all media.

They are? The taking over the media part, not the ridiculous margin part.


The biggest thing I hate about Apple is those "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC commercials". They were funny at first, but now it's just pretty much BS.

 

[taper]

I wouldn't say they're that bad. I mean, those shiny white cases look real nice, at least until they turn yellow from your hand. If you were the kid who kept all his toys in their original package so they'd be worth something later, a Mac is for you! And since there's limited software available, you probably won't even miss not using it! As a bonus, Mac OS is basically a graphical shell on top of BSD, so you can claim you're big into the open source movement. Chicks dig that.

As for pricing, why would a phone exclusivly using one of the worst cell carriers, using someone else's trademarked name, and having it's highly touted video features crippled by not supporting Flash, not be worth the same as a Playstation 3? You know Apple cares about you when they send out a 300 page bill detailing every little bit(and byte) of information. This is the Web2.0 afterall. That $200 price drop 2 months after launch insures customer loyalty too. Who hates lower prices other than those early adopter sheep that buy anything we spit out?[ed: probably want to remove that last bit -steve.][ed: get me a latte while you're at it, and get it right this time or I'm sending you to work in the ipod factory -steve]

 

[Shadylookin]

I don't like apple because of their overpriced hardware and the fact that they're just running a shinny version of BSD. If I wanted apple I'd probably just use FreeBSD and put gnome on it with a mac os X theme then install AWN and i wouldn't be able to tell the difference (except that I'd save about 1000 dollars)

 

[Aramazd]

Actually, the underlying structure is worse than BSD. Apple decided to make a disgusting hybrid of BSD and Mach. Also, their filesystem, HFS+, is one of the worst still in use. Thats why they are porting ZFS from Sun.

I actually don't hate Apple. I'd be more than willing to buy a Mac if they made a decent priced tower. I just don't like Steve Jobs.

 

[Genocidicbunny]

I don't like apple because of their overpriced hardware and the fact that they're just running a shinny version of BSD. If I wanted apple I'd probably just use FreeBSD and put gnome on it with a mac os X theme then install AWN and i wouldn't be able to tell the difference (except that I'd save about 1000 dollars)

You mean 2000$

Thats my biggest gripe with Apple, their prices. I can buy an equivalent mp3 player for half the price. I can buy an equivalent pc for 1/3rd of the price..and etc.

 

[Shadylookin]

Actually, the underlying structure is worse than BSD. Apple decided to make a disgusting hybrid of BSD and Mach. Also, their filesystem, HFS+, is one of the worst still in use. Thats why they are porting ZFS from Sun.

I actually don't hate Apple. I'd be more than willing to buy a Mac if they made a decent priced tower. I just don't like Steve Jobs.

I figured ZFS would just cause a lot of wasted space because of it's redundancy to be useful on a single harddrive computer. I've always thought it was mostly for servers, but admittedly I don't know much about ZFS because it won't be getting ported to linux because of licensing issues.

 

[Shadylookin]

You mean 2000$

Thats my biggest gripe with Apple, their prices. I can buy an equivalent mp3 player for half the price. I can buy an equivalent pc for 1/3rd of the price..and etc.

nah if you go cheap you can get a mac book for 1099 or an iMac for 1199

of course you can get the same parts in a normal laptop for 500 dollars less with windows, but then it won't look as pretty

 

[Genocidicbunny]

Of course then you can get the refund from the manufacturer for Windows and get Linux that looks even better than OSX

 

[Mirc]

The biggest thing I hate about Apple is those "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC commercials". They were funny at first, but now it's just pretty much BS.

I think those commercials should be forbidden. Around here, they are. You are allowed to say "my product is good", you are allowed to say "my product is the best in history", but you're not allowed to say "That product is crap, don't buy it, my product is better than that product". Negative advertisement should be forbidden IMHO.

 

[Aramazd]

I figured ZFS would just cause a lot of wasted space because of it's redundancy to be useful on a single harddrive computer. I've always thought it was mostly for servers, but admittedly I don't know much about ZFS because it won't be getting ported to linux because of licensing issues.

I don't think ZFS is ready for consumers, and won't be anytime soon, but it's another feature Steve Jobs can harp on about that makes OS X so great.

And if I hear the tight OS and hardware integration crap again, I'm going to go crazy.

 

[lutzj]

And if I hear the tight OS and hardware integration crap again, I'm going to go crazy.

Welcome to the club... I can't believe that they actually try to compare themselves to Microsoft, which operates completely differently as a company. If Microsoft is China, then Apple is North Korea.

 

[Shadylookin]

I don't think ZFS is ready for consumers, and won't be anytime soon, but it's another feature Steve Jobs can harp on about that makes OS X so great.

And if I hear the tight OS and hardware integration crap again, I'm going to go crazy.

well I imagine it is nice for them to not have to worry about hardware drivers. for the consumer however it just limits their options.

I just can't understand why someone would want to use an apple. They costs 500 dollars too much, for all the MS hate apple is a much more restrictive company, and OS X doesn't run nearly as many programs as windows. If they're trying to fight the (windows)establishment they should at least choose an OS that is open source rather than more restrictive

The only thing they've got going for them is that they're generally more pretty than PC manufacturers. To each his own I guess

 

[lutzj]

Apple is the shepherd and its customers are sheep: An overpowered, stick-wielding control freak that protects the sheep but exploits them completely. Microsoft is a fisherman to its fish customers: it doesn't help them much and screws a good many over completely, but doesn't do much harm to the larger body either. Linux users are lone wolves, rare and unloved but left alone by the shepherd and fisherman (until he tries to encroach and still a few sheep or wolves, of course).

 

[Zelig]

Apple is the shepherd and its customers are sheep: An overpowered, stick-wielding control freak that protects the sheep but exploits them completely. Microsoft is a fisherman to its fish customers: it doesn't help them much and screws a good many over completely, but doesn't do much harm to the larger body either. Linux users are lone wolves, rare and unloved but left alone by the shepherd and fisherman (until he tries to encroach and still a few sheep or wolves, of course).

How about opensolaris and freebsd?

 

[jono256]

I sold apple products for a bit less than a year, for an other company since there are no brick and mortar apple stores in France

It was an exercise in ripoffery.

Since the margins are so low on the computers, about 6% on average, we had to crossell the most useless and overpriced stuff i've ever seen. I know it's pretty common, but with apple users it's scary. They'll lap this stuff up as if their life depended on it. 20€ for a dvi to vga dongle? Gimme!

And you need to get into the 2000€ range to get some quality, otherwise they're badly assembled, the plastic is cheap, there's thermal paste all over the insides and they do break down, the store's repair shop was always crowded. I put them on par with Acer.

That's just for small problems.
If you have a serious problem in Europe, the Apple repair centers are in Ireland, and it takes ages to get anything there and back. Same thing if you want a custom built Mac.
The apple display line is crap, sure they look sleek but they use the cheapest electronics have no HDCP support (lying about fullHD/HDready is common, but here you're paying a huge premium) and the colors are off, if you want to do some graphism/design/video, which is the Mac's prime selling point, you'll either need to calibrate the screen or get a even more expensive monitor.

I hate that despite the fact you paid a more, you're discouraged to modify hardware, but i've been using a pc since i was 7 so i'm biased.

 

[Shadylookin]

How about opensolaris and freebsd?

they're just insane

 

[mdwh]

Steve Jobs is a master of hype and BS. Remember how the PowerPC blew away Intel chips, then suddenly when Apple switched Intel was faster.

Yeah - there's nothing wrong with a company changing decisions based on what's right at the time, but Apple have a knack of completely slagging off something (as they did with PowerPC vs Intel), then switching and pretending it's the best thing ever. We see this with Windows too - on the one hand, Windows is criticised, but now that Macs can run Windows, suddenly that's touted as a good thing.

The biggest thing I hate about Apple is those "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC commercials". They were funny at first, but now it's just pretty much BS.

I agree - and not just the inaccuracies, but the stereotyping of its users too. It's about 20 years too late - back in the 1980s and early 90s, PCs could be branded as being boring business machines (compared to home computers like the Amiga), but for years now PCs have been dominant in the home.

 

[mdwh]

I think those commercials should be forbidden. Around here, they are. You are allowed to say "my product is good", you are allowed to say "my product is the best in history", but you're not allowed to say "That product is crap, don't buy it, my product is better than that product". Negative advertisement should be forbidden IMHO.

Indeed - it's annoying that they can get away with it by referring to "PCs" instead of Windows which presumably wouldn't be allowed (and this is another example of Apple having it both ways - they were happy to insist that Macs were PCs when claiming that Macs were the fist 64 bit "PCs" and the fastest "PCs", but apparently they're not PCs when it comes to referring to machines with viruses). It makes it all the more misleading, in that a PC can run all sorts of OSs, which also have no viruses or whatever else those adverts claim.

 

[Hehehe]

My opinion on macs is that even an idiot can use them, and it usually is an idiot using them. They're way overhyped and overpriced IMO.

As for the "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC commercials", even though those commercials are stupid, what really bothers me is what kind of idiot really buys that s***?!?