Why is a medieval unit beating the crap out of my guerrilia?

[Gargantutron]

one way to stop this neverending discussion (theres always a new thread about this when i visit these forums lol) would be if it was settable by the player at gamestart, where you choose diffculty, default rules.

simply add a 4 scale option. 3 being default, 2 being less, 1 almost non existant, and 4! for those who love random numbers... expect warriors to defeat modern armors on grassland..

should def. be in civ4!

 

[juballs2001]

Sometimes its just to unrealistic to take. Galleys defeating submarines....

man is this true, i built a curragh about 10 turns into the game...it made it till i won via domination in 1260AD on regent. That means my curragh was beating frigates, privateers, and even two ironclads...now thats just weird.

-Juballs

 

[Siddhartha]

The combat generator is just fine and perfect. If you want newer units to loose less against older, than increase their A/D values, but don't fix the combat generator if it isn't broken at all.

Adjusting the the A/D values solves nothing. A spearman has a defense of 2, a tank has a attack value of 16, even if you stick the spearman in a city on a hill the defense value would only be 4. The spearman should just no beat the tank at those odds, yet it does on a regular enough basis to make it an issue.
The combat generator is good, but not great and, if they are going to make Civ 4, I don't see why they can't work on it a bit to make it a little more realistic.

 

[Dell19]

If you double the attack value for a tank then you should significantly reduce the chance of a spearmen unit ever winning so it at leas might make it more acceptable for some people...

 

[Masquerouge]

The spearman should just no beat the tank at those odds, yet it does on a regular enough basis to make it an issue.

It does not.

I don't remember the exact chance of a spearman defeating a tank, but I think it's around 1%. Not what I call a regular basis.

It's just people get so mad when they loose what they thought should have been an easy victory that they make it an issue.

I know, that's what I do I can't tell you the number of times my computer suffered a hard reset just because those *$=)! AI spearmen defeated my knights, or my *=)^$*ù pikemen were defeated without hurting one single bit the 5 longbowmen coming at them.

But once I cool down, I remember the times (numerous !) when I won an unexpected fight. Curiously, I didn't reset my computer on these occasions.

 

[dgfred]

It does not.

I don't remember the exact chance of a spearman defeating a tank, but I think it's around 1%. Not what I call a regular basis.

It's just people get so mad when they loose what they thought should have been an easy victory that they make it an issue.

I know, that's what I do I can't tell you the number of times my computer suffered a hard reset just because those *$=)! AI spearmen defeated my knights, or my *=)^$*ù pikemen were defeated without hurting one single bit the 5 longbowmen coming at them.

But once I cool down, I remember the times (numerous !) when I won an unexpected fight. Curiously, I didn't reset my computer on these occasions.

"A HARD reset" . My computer has suffered that same fate!

 

[spankey]

In 1956 (or maybe 1954), ordinary citizens and uniion members in Budapest and other cities revolted against the communist Hungarian government. The warsaw pact nations reacted to this and led a massive invasion. It is documented that the warsaw pact nations lost many, many tanks to unarmed/lightly armed citizens using pry bars to disable the treads and molotov cocktails to kill tank occupants. In civ terms, the equivalent of spearmen (citizens with few weapons and no training) were able to defeat several units of tanks. In the end, however, the tanks won.

 

[Dell19]

Thats taking Spearmen to have modern weapons though... Crowbars and molotov cocktails instead of spears...

 

[Zandrew]

Thats taking Spearmen to have modern weapons though... Crowbars and molotov cocktails instead of spears...

I think they'd use their spears like crowbars to disable the treads, then spear the occupants when they come out to fix them. I'm sure they'd be very surprised!

 

[Dell19]

I didn't think spears were made completely of metal...

 

[Zandrew]

I didn't think spears were made completely of metal...

So you don't think a spear would make a good crowbar? Perhaps not... How about a javelin, would that count as a spear? Or maybe they could use their spears to just jam the machinery.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

For those who are upset wih the RNG, just use bombers lethal bombard, you'll never have to send a ground unit to fight again.

 

[Dell19]

So you don't think a spear would make a good crowbar? Perhaps not... How about a javelin, would that count as a spear? Or maybe they could use their spears to just jam the machinery.

It really depends whether we are talking about a spearmen unit that belongs to a modern age civ or a really backwards civ which is building spearmen as their best unit...

 

[Zandrew]

I'm assuming this is an old spearman who's been sitting around for thousands of years. He could probably get his hands on a crowbar though if he wanted to. I think he'd still be a 1-2-1 even with the crowbar upgrade.

 

[Dell19]

Okay I guess they could be being supplied crowbars through weapons markets or being supplied by a third party nation... but then how would such a backwards civ remain backwards in this situation. If they could afford to buy crowbars then they could probably afford other weapons but then is it really a spearmen unit or a weak modern militia unit? Are they the same thing?

 

[Zandrew]

Couldn't he just get a crowbar at the local hardware store? They're not that expensive and the technology needed to make a spear could also make a crowbar.
Spankey compared "unarmed/lightly armed citizens using pry bars" to spearmen. That seems accurate. If they got a few guns at the hardware store then I'd compare them to a modern local militia.

 

[denyd]

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[Siddhartha]

Okay I guess they could be being supplied crowbars through weapons markets or being supplied by a third party nation... but then how would such a backwards civ remain backwards in this situation. If they could afford to buy crowbars then they could probably afford other weapons but then is it really a spearmen unit or a weak modern militia unit? Are they the same thing?

Now I know how Dell19 got over 11,000 posts. Holy Cow! how long did that take you?

 

[Zandrew]

I'd just like to know if Dell19's avatar is a self-portrait...

Nice link denyd!

 

[LLXerxes]

Now I know how Dell19 got over 11,000 posts. Holy Cow! how long did that take you?

Dell only got to 10k only a month or two ago, but I don't see how it is your business.