Why no Charlemagne?

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

For Louis, I agree that a lot of Louis are great, but I would have prefered Louis XI or even Louis XVI rather than Louis XIV. He was just a megalomaniac that built a big castle and ruined the kingdom... His reign is already represented in the Grand Tour CUA, so having him again would feel redundant.
As for Napoleon... Please, can we stop asking for him? The guy was a bloody dictator that basically destroyed French culture. A military genius, a intelligent administrator and a surprisingly acute mathematician (there is some theroems named after him) but can we stop asking for representation for France with him? Seriously, in France, Napoleon is more and more tied with alt-right groups, dreaming of a time where France was "great" and are just hegemonists and supremacists. Also, Napoléon is the reason why French people have more chance than any other country to suffer from varicose veins (because he didn't want men with varicose veins in his army, he lost so many men that the one left were the ones not in his army, so with varicose veins), and when you put the your people future health at risk like that, you have no right to be praised. Gengis Khan reduced the emision of greenhouse gases, him.
We have so many good potential leaders for France that asking for Napoléon is a bad idea. Why should we cycle always between Louis XIV and Napoléon? CdM would never have been my first choice, but at least she brought novelty.
Seriously, before asking again for Napoléon or Louis XIV (or even Charlemagne), take a look at this list: Louis XI, François I, Richelieu, Hugues Capet, Robespierre, Clémenceau (might appear controversial, but I want a 3rd Republic leader too), Henri IV... I would even take Napoléon III before Napoléon I. So, please, stop asking for the same redundant leaders. We have so much history and recognizable names that it would be a waste.
I have nothing against Charlemagne (and he's considered in the list of Kings of France) but speaking of King of France, or even King of the French, is a stretch, because he could as well be a leader for Germany.

1. Napoleon Bonaparte the mathematician? not what I've heard of beyond that gunnery requires a good math score and some understandings in Calculus. Is he also involved in development of College student Calculus we known today?
2. About Religious French Leader, do you think Saint Louis or Cardinal Richelieu a better choice?
3. If Richelieu ever leads France. his UU is gonna be Mousquetaire, but as light cavalry with guns rather than footsloggers as F'xis often represented them in Civ3-5 (Before that, the term 'Musketeer' means a generic Line Infantry unit as Civ2 graphical representation of this unit is British Line Infantry of the 18th Century (Second iterations of 'Redcoats').

Charlemagne leads the Holy Roman Empire in Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword
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Playing Charlemagne

Basically he's gotta astride France and Germany, his UU is Paladin which availables with Civic 'Divine Rights' (They're hardcore Roman Catholics, back then this is the only Christianity that Western Europeans adheres to) and replaces Knight, also with ability to heal player and allies unit next to it. including themselves.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

1. Napoleon Bonaparte the mathematician? not what I've heard of beyond that gunnery requires a good math score and some understandings in Calculus. Is he also involved in development of College student Calculus we known today?
2. About Religious French Leader, do you think Saint Louis or Cardinal Richelieu a better choice?
3. If Richelieu ever leads France. his UU is gonna be Mousquetaire, but as light cavalry with guns rather than footsloggers as F'xis often represented them in Civ3-5 (Before that, the term 'Musketeer' means a generic Line Infantry unit as Civ2 graphical representation of this unit is British Line Infantry of the 18th Century (Second iterations of 'Redcoats').

1. Napoleon's Theorem (allegedly; but it was known that Napoleon was a good theoretical mathematician, but his other feats in military domains often hide them; but he was a very skilled mathematician nonetheless).
2. I would say none of them. The fact that they were very religious themselves was no reason to give them religious bonuses. Richelieu was just a priest, but not at all a pious man; and Louis IX is as religious as Frederic Barbarossa (well, ok, maybe a little more, but still, both were very catholic crusaders; and yet nobody would think about him as a religious leader). In fact, if I had to choose a religious leader for France, I'd say Henri IV. He's the one arriving in the turmoil between catholics and protestants, passed the Edict of Nantes (basically the first true tolerance edict in France, allowing protestants their freedom of religion) and he ended the French Wars of Religion. If we want a religious leader for France, with bonuses around getting different religions in your empire (akin to India's CUA), Henri IV would be perfect. After that, I'm not good enough in French History to give maybe a better or more suited leader for religion.
3. I wouldn't give a specific UU for Richelieu, personally. Just a regular LUA, and a UU for the French overall, that could go from Mousquetaires to Imperial Guard to any other specific unit (but I hate military History so I wouldn't be of great help)

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

^ If Saint Louis wasn't that religious. What kinda leader should he be? Wonder builder? (Was Notre Dame built on his behest? did he involved in any of its construction process? but my sister said he's known to erect cathedrals, many of them) How did Louis IX earned sainthood? (and of what?)

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

^ If Saint Louis wasn't that religious. What kinda leader should he be? Wonder builder? (Was Notre Dame built on his behest? did he involved in any of its construction process? but my sister said he's known to erect cathedrals, many of them) How did Louis IX earned sainthood? (and of what?)

Why did he became a saint? Politically: because of the crusades, his pious life and maybe some cathedrals. Canonically? Because he healed magically some people (canonically one can only became a saint if he performed at least two verified miracles (or dying as a martyr, but nowadays it's rarer)). But, apart from the crusades, he did not do that much for religion. Not as many as Jadwiga (who was pious and really was a religious leader). Maybe, as I said, just a nudge over Frederic Barbarossa.
So if Louis IX was in the game, I'd say a leader akin to Basil II or Frederic Barbarossa. Louis IX was first and foremost a warfare leader. He spent his entire life praying and going to war. A military leader would be the best choice for Louis IX IMO.

 

[HiRezAudio]

I still think it is absurd that Eleanor is available as 'Queen Of England' when she was in reality 'Queen Consort' in much the same way Albert was consort to Victoria.
She spent almost no time at all in England and considered herself to be a Frenchwoman (as did all of the early Plantagenet family in reality, with Richard I famously saying that he would 'sell England if only he could but find a buyer')
Far from being a friend to England - never mind it's actual Queen (which she never was) she actually instigated serious uprisings in England whilst her 2nd husband (Henry II) was still on the throne by winding up her sons to align with the Scots which caused Henry to have her imprisoned and she was only freed when Henry II died in 1189.

I suppose it is no longer considered to be politically correct these days having leaders for England who actually did the country some good!