Wonder Boy?

[DarkSchneider]

Well, on my most recent Emporer game, I was able to do something that I didn't think was possible. I built all of the early wonders.

I started out next to stone, did the standard worker first build. Built a warrior, then rather than build a settler or another worker, I decided to try for stonehenge. I got it, then figured, why stop there, and built the great wall too. Much later, after settling a couple other cities, I researched mathematics, chopped out a whole bunch of workers, then said to myself, it's odd that no one has gotten the Oracle yet. So I chopped the Oracle in one town (no Marble, but it was still pretty quick) and started building the Pyramids after that. Chopping about half of it, I got the Pyramids too.

Not only that, this was all without an industrious leader! Getting Stone next to your starting city really rocks

The only problem is that I only have three cities to benefit from all the wonderificness. And while there are plenty of places to settle more cities, none of them will have any production at all...

 

[DarkSchneider]

So no one has any comments? Has anyone else been able to build all of the early wonders on Emporer?

 

[madscientist]

Kudos on the early wonder spamm. That is a difficult thing to pull off even with access to stone (see my RPC Bismark game, even then I missed the GW).

I think there was a walkthrough a few monthes ago describing how someone got all the wonders using Louis although I cannot recall who it was.

Well done especially on emperor!!

 

[Zanttu]

TGLighthouse?

 

[futurehermit]

With early stone it's pretty easy to nab stonehenge-GW-pyramids. The trade-off of course is sacrificing expansion as you have seen. That's ok if you plan for it like Obsolete does or if you still have room to expand anyways. But if you get boxed in by some aggressors then that can make things uncomfortable to say the least.

 

[futurehermit]

TGLighthouse?

Unfortunately it's not sped-up by stone, which I think it should be

 

[Zanttu]

Unfortunately it's not sped-up by stone, which I think it should be

I know it's not, but he said he built all the early wonders :E

 

[futurehermit]

Well then you could ask what about ToA, parthenon, etc.

 

[Zanttu]

Well then you could ask what about ToA, parthenon, etc.

Yep, I was about to, but then decided they are not worth it ^^

 

[futurehermit]

ToA is situational, but parthenon is a pretty great wonder, especially when combined with GL/NE or a SE more generally. Just build it in a production city so you don't pollute your main gpfarm(s)

EDIT: Also, now that parthenon has been pushed back to aesthetics it is even easier to nab this wonder!

 

[Zanttu]

ToA is situational, but parthenon is a pretty great wonder, especially when combined with GL/NE or a SE more generally. Just build it in a production city so you don't pollute your main gpfarm(s)

EDIT: Also, now that parthenon has been pushed back to aesthetics it is even easier to nab this wonder!

True, there is use for every wonder in this game, everything is situational. But I still think the Pyramids as the best wonder in the game, and unless I'm wonderspamming, i never build more than 2 of early wonders. So i prefer Stonehenge/The Oracle/The Great Wall over Parthenon or ToA.
Btw, do you think it's the time to stop this dialog?

 

[futurehermit]

Nah I don't see the parthenon as something you have to build early, esp if you have marble or industrious. The AI builds it so late you can just nab it once you don't have any pressing builds in a moderate production city

 

[Zanttu]

Nah I don't see the parthenon as something you have to build early, esp if you have marble or industrious. The AI builds it so late you can just nab it once you don't have any pressing builds in a moderate production city

Well, what's early and what's not, at the time the AI builds The Parthenon I'm in war and have no time for building such a small temple as it is. (Well, the real reason I never build parthenon is because it looks stupid, the vid of it is boring and I'm too lazy )

 

[madscientist]

The Parthenon is a great wonder to build in the non-GP farm city if you have access to marble. Particularly good for a Philosophical leader or Agustus.

 

[futurehermit]

Well, what's early and what's not, at the time the AI builds The Parthenon I'm in war and have no time for building such a small temple as it is. (Well, the real reason I never build parthenon is because it looks stupid, the vid of it is boring and I'm too lazy )

I often build it ca. 200AD or so. I've been going to war later in BtS because it is easier now to expand peacefully.

 

[DarkSchneider]

I consider Stonehenge, GW, Oracle and Pyramids the early wonders. I missed out on Temple of Artimis (eventually) but I didn't really want it. The next wonder I built was the Hanging Gardens, after I sent out some settlers to the less desirable spots.

I feel I'm in a pretty good position overall now. I have seven cities, an army large enough to defend against any one Civ attacking me (since I only have two cities near the other Civ's territory. And I just finished with Civil Service which will help my production considerably.

Now it's time to build some Macemen and Cats and go after one of my neighbors!

 

[LlamaCat]

In the current ALC save by Sisuitil .... ok, adding spoilers:

Spoiler :

I settled on the stone and was able to get most of the early wonders except Oracle. I think on any of the lower levels all the way up to about Emperor it really depends on the AI opponents you draw and the map. Obviously some of them are more inclined to build wonders, might be industrious, and depends on who gets marble/stone.

In the ALC game he actually has stone and marble nearby and is isolated so that helps early on but of course I was way behind in techs later (although it's easy to catch up) and I have the weakest military. Emperor is way out of my league so it shows how having stone in the capital really is a god-send. I notice even on Monarch how the wonders seem to rapidly fall before I can get them.

 

[madscientist]

In case Sisi reads this can you put the ALC info in a spoiler?

 

[absimiliard]

I would say madscientist is right. That should probably be spoilered in case Sisi stops by.

My own ALC spoilers to follow.

Spoiler :

Just wanted to say that I also shadowed Sisiutl's current ALC game. Damn annoying game I have to say. Currently I'm testing an Obsolete style wonder-spam strategy to see if that gets me the Optics early enough to still go assault someone with my berserkers. I've had no luck so far. But stone in the capitol and marble nearby should make for a good try.

I tried it as basically OCC but found I wanted the marble too much. Maybe a two city strategy will work better. With marble from the second city I bet I'm going to wonder-spam to fulfill Obsolete's fondest dreams.

I'm dying to know how Sisiutl handles this game by the way. Personally I'd do a restart, it doesn't really let you show-case Ragnar's strengths very well, the map makes his AGG trait meaningless, and berserkers just don't cut it for post-Astronomy assaults. I'll bet he finishes it and wins pretty well though.

 

[futurehermit]

I would say madscientist is right. That should probably be spoilered in case Sisi stops by.

My own ALC spoilers to follow.

Spoiler :

Just wanted to say that I also shadowed Sisiutl's current ALC game. Damn annoying game I have to say. Currently I'm testing an Obsolete style wonder-spam strategy to see if that gets me the Optics early enough to still go assault someone with my berserkers. I've had no luck so far. But stone in the capitol and marble nearby should make for a good try.

I tried it as basically OCC but found I wanted the marble too much. Maybe a two city strategy will work better. With marble from the second city I bet I'm going to wonder-spam to fulfill Obsolete's fondest dreams.

I'm dying to know how Sisiutl handles this game by the way. Personally I'd do a restart, it doesn't really let you show-case Ragnar's strengths very well, the map makes his AGG trait meaningless, and berserkers just don't cut it for post-Astronomy assaults. I'll bet he finishes it and wins pretty well though.

Spoiler :

The thing is though you can upgrade the berserkers and they keep the amphibious promotion. However, I really think that archipalego maps do a disservice to the aggressive trait.