Wonder Elimination Thread
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(+) HG : Monarchy + Hills + Tradition finisher = lots of wonders you'll easily be able to build while maintaining steady growth.
(-) Eiffel Tower : Possibly the best (or 2nd best with FP on a wide empire) happiness wonder. However it comes far late in the game where it will only hurry future golden ages slightly. Useful for a civ utilizing Piety branch for faster culture too but otherwise compared to those on the list, my down vote.
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(+) HG : Monarchy + Hills + Tradition finisher = lots of wonders you'll easily be able to build while maintaining steady growth.
(-) Eiffel Tower : Possibly the best (or 2nd best with FP on a wide empire) happiness wonder. However it comes far late in the game where it will only hurry future golden ages slightly. Useful for a civ utilizing Piety branch for faster culture too but otherwise compared to those on the list, my down vote.
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ET is much better than CI if you start fighting in modern aera.
CI is the worst from the above. there are way better happiness wonders.
Btw. is it correct that CI is better if you haven't had a golden age yet, does it double your current GA-length, which decreases after each GA?
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ET is much better than CI if you start fighting in modern aera.
CI is the worst from the above. there are way better happiness wonders.
Btw. is it correct that CI is better if you haven't had a golden age yet, does it double your current GA-length, which decreases after each GA?
NicTeos
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the main advantage of CI is the increase of golden age duration. If you don't have many golden ages ok, then it's not yours. I'm normally nearly always in golden age later, normally from renaissance/industrial age till the end. Togehter with Liberty finisher it's really nice.
Kevin J
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Oracle. It's situational, but for its victory condition, no wonder is more needed and pressed for - it tends to go early.
Notre Dame. This is a great wonder, but all of the remaining wonders are great. Although it is a particularly efficient way to make 10 happiness, there are other ways to make up for that. It's not a do or die wonder.
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Oracle. It's situational, but for its victory condition, no wonder is more needed and pressed for - it tends to go early.
Notre Dame. This is a great wonder, but all of the remaining wonders are great. Although it is a particularly efficient way to make 10 happiness, there are other ways to make up for that. It's not a do or die wonder.
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Hagia Sophia It's the best, post-patch. GL is my sentimental favorite, though.
Statute of Liberty It's a wonderful wonder, it's just the least wonderfulest of the remaining choices.
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Hagia Sophia It's the best, post-patch. GL is my sentimental favorite, though.
Statute of Liberty It's a wonderful wonder, it's just the least wonderfulest of the remaining choices.
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GL : I dont know why people rush it ? You can't have great tech with it. And its bonus is really short term : the +3
is the only bonus you keep for the rest of the game. GL is clearly overpriced.
Oracle : IMO, Social policies are one of the most important component of post patch games, even in multi.
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GL : I dont know why people rush it ? You can't have great tech with it. And its bonus is really short term : the +3
is the only bonus you keep for the rest of the game. GL is clearly overpriced.Oracle : IMO, Social policies are one of the most important component of post patch games, even in multi.
NicTeos
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ok, guys,
the rule changed to
-3 , +1
corrected list:
Chichen Itza (19)
Eiffel Tower (11)
Notre Dame (13) (-2 Kevin j ), -1 correct
Statute of Liberty (1) ( -2 blue oyster ), -1 correct
Great Library (21)
Hagia Sophia (32)
Hanging Gardens (13)
Oracle (8)
I hope this is now correct ..
My vote :
Chichen Itza (19)
Eiffel Tower (8) -3
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Statute of Liberty (2) +1
Great Library (21)
Hagia Sophia (32)
Hanging Gardens (13)
Oracle (8)
SoL - enourmous production increase
ET - Happiness is very important, but ET comes late and has relative low happiness increase compared to ND. And there are more options to increase happiness at the age of ET, than at the ND-age.
to GL, besides +3 science, a free tech, it also offers a free library. And the important slingshot for Civil Service.
the rule changed to
-3 , +1
corrected list:
Chichen Itza (19)
Eiffel Tower (11)
Notre Dame (13) (-2 Kevin j ), -1 correct
Statute of Liberty (1) ( -2 blue oyster ), -1 correct
Great Library (21)
Hagia Sophia (32)
Hanging Gardens (13)
Oracle (8)
I hope this is now correct ..
My vote :
Chichen Itza (19)
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Statute of Liberty (2) +1
Great Library (21)
Hagia Sophia (32)
Hanging Gardens (13)
Oracle (8)
SoL - enourmous production increase
ET - Happiness is very important, but ET comes late and has relative low happiness increase compared to ND. And there are more options to increase happiness at the age of ET, than at the ND-age.
to GL, besides +3 science, a free tech, it also offers a free library. And the important slingshot for Civil Service.
civnoob13
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Eiffel tower is very useful for happiness and shouldn't be so low down.
Great Library is only one free tech. With the Oracle all future policies will be cheaper AND you get a policy there and then, AND a single policy is more valuable than a tech. Yes, you can get beeline with GL, but only slightly, and yes, you get a free library, but that isn't as good IMHO as the oracle.
Thanks for correcting NicTeos BTW.
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Eiffel tower is very useful for happiness and shouldn't be so low down.
Great Library is only one free tech. With the Oracle all future policies will be cheaper AND you get a policy there and then, AND a single policy is more valuable than a tech. Yes, you can get beeline with GL, but only slightly, and yes, you get a free library, but that isn't as good IMHO as the oracle.
Thanks for correcting NicTeos BTW.
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SoL: Same as above.
Oracle: You won't likely get it at a higher difficulty.
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SoL: Same as above.
Oracle: You won't likely get it at a higher difficulty.
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Fixed error on ET from previous poster.
+! HS (best wonder by far)
-3 ND (overrated compared to FP)
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Fixed error on ET from previous poster.
+! HS (best wonder by far)
-3 ND (overrated compared to FP)
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Specialists aren't that useful in general.
I could really use that happiness from the ET sometimes.
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Specialists aren't that useful in general.
I could really use that happiness from the ET sometimes.
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Chichen Itza is a good wonder but you must make some sacrifices in order to get it or AI will build it before you in higher difficulties. I don't think golden ages are that essential in the time you could build CI so it is more an investment for the future when great people can be sacrificed more easily and your infrastructure has stabilised the unhappiness. At least in my playstyle I am always unhappy until late game and I much prefer to capture CI to actually building it. Too bad its flavor text is so great and I always miss hearing it when someone else builds CI.
Hagia sophia is the best wonder in CIV so might as well vote for it this time.
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Chichen Itza is a good wonder but you must make some sacrifices in order to get it or AI will build it before you in higher difficulties. I don't think golden ages are that essential in the time you could build CI so it is more an investment for the future when great people can be sacrificed more easily and your infrastructure has stabilised the unhappiness. At least in my playstyle I am always unhappy until late game and I much prefer to capture CI to actually building it. Too bad its flavor text is so great and I always miss hearing it when someone else builds CI.
Hagia sophia is the best wonder in CIV so might as well vote for it this time.
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(+) HG : Same as always - free food = good production and science
(-) ET : Good wonder, just too late to have much of an impact except for mass puppet empires or culture victory pursuit.
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(+) HG : Same as always - free food = good production and science
(-) ET : Good wonder, just too late to have much of an impact except for mass puppet empires or culture victory pursuit.
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Oracle is only important for a culture game.
GL+NL start with Liberty is a great opening strategy: take the free worker first, then the golden age, then the free settler.
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Oracle is only important for a culture game.
GL+NL start with Liberty is a great opening strategy: take the free worker first, then the golden age, then the free settler.
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Eiffel Tower: This has proven useful on many occasions to provide the happiness boost needed to start/continue a war meant to take out my chief rival for non-domination victory condition. Best way to ensure a tech win is to bomb the next most advanced opponent back to the stone age, but all those burning and puppet cities sure do make folks unhappy. It's like they've got something against me committing warcrimes or something.
Hanging Gardens: Sorry, but you're too early for me to viably put you in any city that's not the capital, and my capital has access to Maritime CSes (which also bring luxuries and/or useful resources) and Tradition policies (which also boost empire growth as a whole) if I need to push its growth.
Edit: Included Maeltne's updates that basta missed.
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Eiffel Tower: This has proven useful on many occasions to provide the happiness boost needed to start/continue a war meant to take out my chief rival for non-domination victory condition. Best way to ensure a tech win is to bomb the next most advanced opponent back to the stone age, but all those burning and puppet cities sure do make folks unhappy. It's like they've got something against me committing warcrimes or something.
Hanging Gardens: Sorry, but you're too early for me to viably put you in any city that's not the capital, and my capital has access to Maritime CSes (which also bring luxuries and/or useful resources) and Tradition policies (which also boost empire growth as a whole) if I need to push its growth.
Edit: Included Maeltne's updates that basta missed.
