Wonders of destruction

Sorry to break this to Iceblaze and the boys,
But the US M1 Heavy tank with it's British-developed depleted uranium armour is the definitive MBT on the modern battlefield.

Followed by the similar and awesome German Leopard 2,
The Merkava is a very fine vehicle, but it's not the best.

Otherwise the USA and Europe would use it too.
 
USA won't use it because fo pride.
Europe won't use it because they need fast tanks and not Strong, heavily armored, largely spaced, 100% accurate tanks.
 
It's like saying "Why won't USA use Israeli radars?".
Obviously Israeli radars top the American ones, that's why USA so-strongly objected the sale of an Israeli spy plane to China.
 
Behold the mighty Abrams!

50 tons of solid steel liberty and freedom!
 
Originally posted by IceBlaZe
It's like saying "Why won't USA use Israeli radars?".
Obviously Israeli radars top the American ones, that's why USA so-strongly objected the sale of an Israeli spy plane to China.

Chill out, IceBlaZe!

I like the Merkavah too!
Let's not argue, just post some images...OK?

:lol:
 
And here is the finest MBT in Europe! The deadly Leopard II!

You can tell this vehicle comes from the same thoroughbred as the Tiger II!
 
Iceblaze :

It's not a typo.
Moran and Meitar are long range artillery units, not groups of people carrying TOWs.
 
Originally posted by CurtSibling
Behold the mighty Abrams!

50 tons of solid steel liberty and freedom!

Not only the Merkava is better, it's also sexier. :p
I mean, the Abrams is ugly.
 
Originally posted by CurtSibling
Ach! Flammenwerfer!

Looks like a PzKw II chassis, I could be wrong.

It seems to be a Pz I, actually. The turret of the Pz II was centered, the Flammenwerfer's isn't...

Originally posted by CurtSibling
50 tons of solid steel liberty and freedom!

And death, terribly persuasive death... Muhahahahaaa....:D :flamdevi :satan:
 
Originally posted by CurtSibling


Ach! Flammenwerfer!

Looks like a PzKw II chassis, I could be wrong.
here ya go curtsibling!Flammpanzer II Flamingo / PzKpfw II(F)
(Sd. Kfz. 122)
Panzerkampfwagen II Flamm Ausf A und Ausf B




On February 21,1939 German Army HQ ordered the development of Flammpanzer (flame-thrower tank). Both producers of Panzer II, MAN (Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nuremberg) and Daimler-Benz were selected to develop that project. Shortly after, July of 1939, soft-steel prototype based on Panzer II Ausf D/E's chassis was built. It was armed with two flame-throwers mounted on trackguards on each side. Flame-throwers were mounted in special turret-like cases (Spitzkopfe) that allowed them to operate at 180 degrees radius. Each flame-thrower had its own fuel tank with 160 liters capacity which was enough to fire 80 "shots" at the maximum range of 25 meters. Flame-thrower's fuel consisted of a mixture of oil and gasoline that was "shot" with help of pressurized nitrogen stored in six pressurized tanks. Flame-thrower was ignited with acetylene "lighter". For additional armament MG34 7.92mm for which 1800 rounds were carried inside. Machine gun was mounted in a small rotating turret (Kugelblende). Its crew consisted of three men (driver, radio operator and commander/flame-thrower operator) and its armor protection ranged from 14.5mm to 30mm thickness. PzKpfw II (F) was powered by 6 cylinder Maybach HL62 TRM engine with total power of 140hp.


PzKpfw II(F) during tests in Germany 1940/41.

From April to September of 1939, MAN produced 46 complete chassis, which were to be converted into Flammpanzers by Wegmann & Co.(Kassel). Conversion started in January of 1940. In March of 1940, another 30 PzKpfw II Ausf D/Es were taken from 7th (10) and 8th (20) Panzer Divisions and were converted to PzKpfw II(F)s. Overall, 90 PzKpfw II(F)s were produced from May to December of 1940. 87 were finished by October 1940 and other 3 were finished in February of 1941. In March of 1940, new order for 150 PzKpfw II(F)s was placed but only 90 were built until August of 1941. The rest of the order was completed as regular PzKpfw II Ausf D tanks. In December of 1941, it was ordered that both 90 Flammpanzers and 60 tanks were to be completed as mounts for self-propelled anti-tanks guns - Marder IIs. Total number of PzKpfw II(F)s produced was 90.

All PzKpfw II(F)s were issued to Panzerabteilung (F) 100 and Panzer Abteilung (F) 101. During Operation Barbarossa, Panzerabteilung (F) 100 was attached to 18th Panzer Division and Panzerabteilung (F) 101 was attached to the 7th Panzer Division. Flammpanzers saw service in Russia until late 1941, when both units were withdrawn to Germany and reorganized. Surviving Flammpanzers were converted into Marder IIs. Number of turrets removed from converted Flammpanzer II tanks ended up as part of German fortification e.g. in Norway. PzKpfw II(F)s were used as a close combat weapon working with the support of infantry. Today, fully restored and operational Flammpanzer II can be seen in the "Wehrtechnik Museum" in Koblenz Germany.


Specifications
Weight: 12000kg
Crew: 3 men
Engine: Maybach HL 62 TRM / 6-cylinder / 140hp
Speed: 55km/h
Range: Road: 250km
Lenght: 4.90m
Width: 2.40m
Height: 1.85m
Armament: 2 x Flammenwerfer-Anlagen & 7.92mm MG34
Ammo: 320 litres fuel
7.92mm - 1800 rounds
Armor (mm/angle): Front Turret: 30/0
Front Superstructure: 30/9
Front Hull: 30/9
Side Turret: 20/21
Side Superstructure: 14.5-25 + 15/0
Side Hull: 14.5/0
Rear Turret: 20/30
Rear Superstructure: 14.5/15
Rear Hull: 14.5/0
Turret Top / Bottom: 10/84-90
Superstructure Top / Bottom: 10/79-90
Hull Top / Bottom: 5/90
 
My mistake, but is the turret on the chassis really centered on that pic?
 
Originally posted by Eli


Not only the Merkava is better, it's also sexier. :p
I mean, the Abrams is ugly.

Being sexy doesn't matter when the TOW missiles are flying, lad!

Would the Merkava survive a hit from the 'ugly' M1's 150mm cannon?
No way, hosay!

When you have uraniam honeycomb armour, then you can boast.

But hey!
At least Saddam hasn't got anything like our tanks, eh?
 
Originally posted by Eli
Iceblaze :

It's not a typo.
Moran and Meitar are long range artillery units, not groups of people carrying TOWs.

Yes, but 30KM with precision of Tank-Size target? No wonder It's top secret, It's uncanny!
 
i got even more german tank pictures!
:cool: :D i think they would put up a tough fight!
 

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Actually the Merkavah is very likely to be the only tank to survive the 150mm cannon, due to modular armour and power-pack at front.
 
Originally posted by philippe

here ya go curtsibling!Flammpanzer II Flamingo / PzKpfw II(F)
(Sd. Kfz. 122)
Panzerkampfwagen II Flamm Ausf A und Ausf B




On February 21,1939 German Army HQ ordered the development of Flammpanzer (flame-thrower tank). Both producers of Panzer II, MAN (Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nuremberg) and Daimler-Benz were selected to develop that project. Shortly after, July of 1939, soft-steel prototype based on Panzer II Ausf D/E's chassis was built. It was armed with two flame-throwers mounted on trackguards on each side. Flame-throwers were mounted in special turret-like cases (Spitzkopfe) that allowed them to operate at 180 degrees radius. Each flame-thrower had its own fuel tank with 160 liters capacity which was enough to fire 80 "shots" at the maximum range of 25 meters. Flame-thrower's fuel consisted of a mixture of oil and gasoline that was "shot" with help of pressurized nitrogen stored in six pressurized tanks. Flame-thrower was ignited with acetylene "lighter". For additional armament MG34 7.92mm for which 1800 rounds were carried inside. Machine gun was mounted in a small rotating turret (Kugelblende). Its crew consisted of three men (driver, radio operator and commander/flame-thrower operator) and its armor protection ranged from 14.5mm to 30mm thickness. PzKpfw II (F) was powered by 6 cylinder Maybach HL62 TRM engine with total power of 140hp.


PzKpfw II(F) during tests in Germany 1940/41.

From April to September of 1939, MAN produced 46 complete chassis, which were to be converted into Flammpanzers by Wegmann & Co.(Kassel). Conversion started in January of 1940. In March of 1940, another 30 PzKpfw II Ausf D/Es were taken from 7th (10) and 8th (20) Panzer Divisions and were converted to PzKpfw II(F)s. Overall, 90 PzKpfw II(F)s were produced from May to December of 1940. 87 were finished by October 1940 and other 3 were finished in February of 1941. In March of 1940, new order for 150 PzKpfw II(F)s was placed but only 90 were built until August of 1941. The rest of the order was completed as regular PzKpfw II Ausf D tanks. In December of 1941, it was ordered that both 90 Flammpanzers and 60 tanks were to be completed as mounts for self-propelled anti-tanks guns - Marder IIs. Total number of PzKpfw II(F)s produced was 90.

All PzKpfw II(F)s were issued to Panzerabteilung (F) 100 and Panzer Abteilung (F) 101. During Operation Barbarossa, Panzerabteilung (F) 100 was attached to 18th Panzer Division and Panzerabteilung (F) 101 was attached to the 7th Panzer Division. Flammpanzers saw service in Russia until late 1941, when both units were withdrawn to Germany and reorganized. Surviving Flammpanzers were converted into Marder IIs. Number of turrets removed from converted Flammpanzer II tanks ended up as part of German fortification e.g. in Norway. PzKpfw II(F)s were used as a close combat weapon working with the support of infantry. Today, fully restored and operational Flammpanzer II can be seen in the "Wehrtechnik Museum" in Koblenz Germany.


Specifications
Weight: 12000kg
Crew: 3 men
Engine: Maybach HL 62 TRM / 6-cylinder / 140hp
Speed: 55km/h
Range: Road: 250km
Lenght: 4.90m
Width: 2.40m
Height: 1.85m
Armament: 2 x Flammenwerfer-Anlagen & 7.92mm MG34
Ammo: 320 litres fuel
7.92mm - 1800 rounds
Armor (mm/angle): Front Turret: 30/0
Front Superstructure: 30/9
Front Hull: 30/9
Side Turret: 20/21
Side Superstructure: 14.5-25 + 15/0
Side Hull: 14.5/0
Rear Turret: 20/30
Rear Superstructure: 14.5/15
Rear Hull: 14.5/0
Turret Top / Bottom: 10/84-90
Superstructure Top / Bottom: 10/79-90
Hull Top / Bottom: 5/90

Nice work!

An Evil Dictator Council member like Phillipe can always produce a ton of stats quickly!
 
Also, I believe the Merkavah armour is stronger than the one of the M1A2.

Take it that Israel knows best when it comes to weapons... We've been at war since our foundation.

The only reason you don't actually know what the Merkavah armour is made of is because It's top secret, but I think it is at least as storng as the Depleted Uranium, it's the latest technology hybrid armour.

It proved itself when surviving strong Russian Anti-Tank weapons in 1982.

Also, you should "know" that the Merkavah will most likely hit a tank before it hits him thanks to the (relatively) long range, precise missiles it carries.
 
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