WW2- the european front

Chibiabos said:
I did and it was, apparantly you missed it because, like raping choir boys, its just something swept under the rug and not talked about because, my goodness, pointing out the vile, evil actions of the church is heresy. I don't know what you are smoking to think Christianity is peaceful or just. Torture Jews over and over again in the Inquisition, and again when Hitler himself was raised as a Catholic and many historians agree that is where he got his extreme anti-semitism.

"Christianity and National Socialism are irreconcilable"-Martin Bormann, public address in 1941



Hitler played up support early from anyone who would give it to him, but his sincerity and honesty to any of those groups, and their understanding of his true intentions and actions (Hitler was one of history's greatest pathological liars), not to mention pure intimidation and terror tactics used by the Nazis later on to keep them in line, hardly shows that the vast faith of Christianity in any way supported or gave rise to Adolf Hitler, or that Hitler sincerely believed in Christian ideals.

Instead of people just googling for famous quotes or running off to Wikipedia, do some real research and reading on such a deep and important subject before spouting inflammatory and biased opinions.

Here's a little something to read: (taken DIRECTLY from The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany By William L Shirer, p. 329-332

".....in May, 1936, it addressed a courteous but firm memorandum to Hitler protesting against the anti-Christian tendencies of the regime, denouncing the government's anti-Semitism and demanding an end to state interference in Churches, Frick, the Nazi Minister of the Interior, responded with ruthless action. Hundreds of church pastors were arrested, one of the signers of the memorandum, was murdered in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp, the funds of the church were confiscated and it was forbidden to make collections.

"What the Hitler government envisioned for Germany was clearly set out in a thirty-point program for the "National Reich Church" drawn up during the way by Rosenberg, an outspoken pagan, who among his other offices held that of the 'Fuehrer's Delegate for the Entire Intellectual and Philosophical Education and Instruction for the National Socialist Party'. A few of its thirty articles convey the essentials:

1) The National Reich Church of Germany categorically claims the exclusive right and the exclusive power to control all churches within the borders of the Reich: it declares these to be national churches of the German Reich.
5) The National Church is determind to exterminate irrevocably the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.
7) The National Reich Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains or priests, but National Reich orators are to speak in them.
13) The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany...
14) The National Church declares that to it, and therefore to the German nation, it has been decided that the Fueherer's Mein Kampf is the greatest of all documents. It not only contains the greatest but embodies the purest and truest ethics for the present and future life of our nation
18. The National Church will clear awar from its altars all crucifixes, Bibles, and pictures of Saints.
19. On the altars there must be nothing but MEIN KAMPF (to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book) and to the left of the altar a sword.
30) On the day of its foundation, the Christian cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals, and chapels...and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika.
 
Sid the Lucid said:
If you think Hitler was Christian or that Nazi Germany was a christian state you better keep reading...

Don't get too upset. Remember, "Satan himself masquerades as an angel of Light..."
 
i am new at this, i can only download the map after being told the scenario is invalid the scenario starts at ancient times
 
I did and it was, apparantly you missed it because, like raping choir boys, its just something swept under the rug and not talked about because, my goodness, pointing out the vile, evil actions of the church is heresy. I don't know what you are smoking to think Christianity is peaceful or just. Torture Jews over and over again in the Inquisition, and again when Hitler himself was raised as a Catholic and many historians agree that is where he got his extreme anti-semitism.

If Hitler was a Christian, I am the Emperor of China!!
What Hitler said in public and in private were two completely different things. Hitler has clearly stated his contempt for Christianity - and therefore we are forced to conclude that his "pious" speech was to get the backing of the churches.
Sadly, it is correct that a lot of clergy in Germany backed Hitler up, but that:

1: Does not mean that Hitler himself was a Christian. Yes, he was baptized into the Catholic church, but you don't become a Christian from being baptized anymore than you become a professor just by walking into a university.

2: Does not mean that Nazi-Germany was a Christian country.
Christianity and Nazism are as incompatible as arsenic and the human body. He that is one of these two cannot be the other.

I am sick and tired of ignorants claiming that the Christian churches bears the blame for all evil in this world....try actually LEARNING, instead of just blabbing out prejudices...

JFDK
 
Looks interesting, but scanning through the first two pages...

How about some basic information about it? After, I can't even tell if I can play this mod with my civilization 4 vanilla, or what nations I could choose to be...
 
Interesting mod, and good work....but I must say that accuracy wise this thing is waaaayyy off.

Free france did not control vichy in 1941 --- that was vichy france, an axis puppet state. Likewise, most of the north-western colonies were subsequently under vichy france's control ---which brings me to the next point, italy has waaay more things than it should. It holds all of western vichy colonies in africa, holds the balkans (even tho much was occupied by Germany and/or the axis allies hungary/romania etc...)...and free france is just . .. .. .. .ed in this game, lol.

You also oculd use a lot more nations in the game. Adding hungary/bulgaria/finland/vichy france, while giving free france what they really controlled (middle eastern area of israel, africa south of northwestern region), as well as re-allocation of spots for other countries.

Otherwise, its great XD
 
Interesting mod, and good work....but I must say that accuracy wise this thing is waaaayyy off.

Free france did not control vichy in 1941 --- that was vichy france, an axis puppet state. Likewise, most of the north-western colonies were subsequently under vichy france's control ---which brings me to the next point, italy has waaay more things than it should. It holds all of western vichy colonies in africa, holds the balkans (even tho much was occupied by Germany and/or the axis allies hungary/romania etc...)...and free france is just . .. .. .. .ed in this game, lol.

You also oculd use a lot more nations in the game. Adding hungary/bulgaria/finland/vichy france, while giving free france what they really controlled (middle eastern area of israel, africa south of northwestern region), as well as re-allocation of spots for other countries.

Otherwise, its great XD
 
its a great scenario. i played as america in noble. really fun, but hitler sent a lot of troops to norway because he thougth the final battle would be there and when i conquered it there was almost no troops stationed there
 
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