Wyrmshadow's Battleships

[Bjornlo]

What an odd design

Those side guns were popular around 1900.

 

[Wyrmshadow]

Yes, they were called casemate guns but they proved unpopular after ww1 because of the new high speeds of the ships usually caused the waves to rise higher than those guns.

 

[MarineCorps]

Those side guns were popular around 1900.

I know that. I was more refering to the lack of a central structure.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

I know that. I was more refering to the lack of a central structure.

Common in all ships of that time, due to the coal bunkers underneath the central section there is no space for anything much apart from the ovens. Due to the inaccuracy of naval artillery impact from long range shelling which could have penetrated the top plating was nearly impossible then. The coal on the otherside even acted as defensive feature during short range, direct fire shelling, something which had to be revised urgently with the switch to oil burning vessels. With the needed plating on the side and top of the hull being far heavier in contrast to the older, coal burners this brought several poor designs as would be shown in WWI, where several Battlecruisers and Cruisers would be hit by a penetrating shell into their engine room or even main arsenal and explode. It was from and during that time onwards that ships increasingly regained their central structures and platings.

 

[MarineCorps]

Common in all ships of that time, due to the coal bunkers underneath the central section there is no space for anything much apart from the ovens. Due to the inaccuracy of naval artillery impact from long range shelling which could have penetrated the top plating was nearly impossible then. The coal on the otherside even acted as defensive feature during short range, direct fire shelling, something which had to be revised urgently with the switch to oil burning vessels. With the needed plating on the side and top of the hull being far heavier in contrast to the older, coal burners this brought several poor designs as would be shown in WWI, where several Battlecruisers and Cruisers would be hit by a penetrating shell into their engine room or even main arsenal and explode. It was from and during that time onwards that ships increasingly regained their central structures and platings.

Hmm, didn't know that. All the pictures I saw of ships from that time normally a centeral structure or at least smoke stacks.

 

[Wyrmshadow]

I got another one. Former SMS Goeben, the Turkish BC Yavuz.

 

[Bjornlo]

Looks good, even tiny. The wooden decking adds a nice "old ship" touch.

 

[El Justo]

hey, i've got a place for this!

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

don't we all

 

[Wyrmshadow]

Been waiting a long time to redo my famous Bismark. Sofar Ive only had time to do the attack today. Here it is compared to the old one.

 

[Bjornlo]

In looking at the two side by side the new one is clearly better.
The wood deck textures are alot nicer then the peach ones from before. The rest of the detail work is also more visually pleasing.
For example, the darker, higher contrast, broadside works better too.

I was wondering about the Nazi logos though. They are historically accurate for a Nazi germany. But what if someone wanted to play a non-facist nation and give it this unit? I'm not saying which way you should go. I'm not even sure which way I would go, just tossing the idea out there.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

I was wondering about the Nazi logos though. They are historically accurate for a Nazi germany. But what if someone wanted to play a non-facist nation and give it this unit? I'm not saying which way you should go. I'm not even sure which way I would go, just tossing the idea out there.

Germany never gave the plans for the Bismarck class to any of its Allies, despite the fact that while the USSR and Germany were big buddies and Germany was trading its trading military secrets for resources and oil, Stalin was very much interested in purchasing them. So, noone would have ever been able to construct a Bismarck class vessel apart from the Germans.

Some historians even suggest that Stalin's overeagerness in putting Hitler under pressure in their deals and his undisclosed will to use these new technologies to rush military build up was one of the key reasons for Germany's surprise attack in 1941 (something that had initialy not been planned to happen until at least after 1945 even by Hitler and his General staff). It seems like Mr. Moustage had first changed his mind about the USSR given the peaceful and fruitful coexistance, considering her a reliable partner, yet when faced with "insight" on the general direction the Soviet Union was increasingly taking, seems to have been reassured of his overall initial idea that the "Class Enemy" had to be destroyed, the sooner the better.

 

[Bjornlo]

Yes, but my comment had nothing to do with history and everything to do with Civ3.
In Civ, it is possible to be germany in 1940 and not be Nazi. Nazi != germany

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Oh that, uhm- well, I come from a country where the Swastika is forbidden, and as a consecuence packagings of German WWII scale model planes are opened by shop staff and their decal set Swastikas cut into several pieces for "personal assembly only". Collector's edition 500 euro electrical miniature steam trains being minutiously reproduced to fit the original to a T, produced in WWII cammo and with slogans of the time and ideological background printed on them "Räder müssen rollen für den Sieg!" (Our, wheels are rolling for Victory) display the Third Reich Eagle sitting on an empty circle (where in real life the aforementioned symbol would have been). To make it short: I disagree with such rather weird censorship practice. Ignoring historical facts doesn't make history dissapear.

Now civ-wise, the construction of the Bismarck was ordered by the Nazi regime. Had there not been a similarly aggressive regime in place, what need would there have been for a commercial raider of such proportions within a non-Nazi regime? It would probably not have been built at all in that case. I'd expect smaller units for coastal defence and limited patrol duties being built instead (I believe one of the previewed Scharnhorst incarnations bares no Swastika and could be used nicely as a generic BB for Germany). However, if one would like to build a Bismarck, whatever Government, it should come with what it historicaly came with, otherwise that just wouldn't be the "real" Bismarck- Nazi doesn't = Germany, but Bismarck = Bismarck... just my 2 cents...

 

[Wyrmshadow]

I like the red bands because they are more accurate, and how would anyone know what's inside the circle unless I post the large beauty pic. The red looks better and besides I'm too far along to change it.

 

[Wyrmshadow]

Hard work, New ship
Prinze Eugen

 

[TopGun]

Keep the red bands and the swastikas. Ya gotta be historically accurate...

 

[Bjornlo]

Looking at your ships makes me wish that CIV scale was much larger, or at least zoomed in tight for battles.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Looking at your ships makes me wish that CIV scale was much larger, or at least zoomed in tight for battles.

Definitly, he'd really need to save all of his models for later usage so some day there would be a game that gives them better credit

 

[Wyrmshadow]

Been trying some new things with my H-class model. Before it took me 3 solid days to animate it because it was so large of a file and I was apprehensive about even starting it up again. But with some careful fooling around I managed to shrink a 68 meg file to a more managable 17.5megs. Now I don't have to wait 30 minutes to save a single time.

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