x1 vs. x2 : A Discussion

[shadowdale]

Actually Slowhand 2x games are faster - in terms of real time - game time, no! But what is the point in measuring a game in game years??

And Eyes - That's is one of the most stupid generalizations that I have ever heard!!

I must say that since I haven't played all that many MP games I don't find myself qualified to participated in this discussion, but I am amazed at how fast it went from being a real discussion to people insulting others because they can agree!!!

And hey - what is the point in telling people that don't have English/American as their native language that they spell bad?? I mean almost every American is better at English than me - but I most likely speak better Danish, Swedish, German and Italian than most Americans!!! Leave the language out.....

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[SunTzu]

I feel like exercising my moderator powers since we are all of lower intelligence i'm gonna use my extremely low intelligence and close this topic of such low intelligence and stupidity. Eyes, what kind of mental problem do you have? Were you abused as a child? You are a very insecure person and should see someone about it.

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[Dogberry_Old]

I would like to use my perogitive as originator to request that you don't.. Sun. I agree that we have all gotten off topic here, but the discussion is a useful one.

My observations:

1) People like x2 resources.. as they build stuff..develop & move up the Tech Tree faster. This gives them the illusion of a more complete game .. in the time that they can play.
2) x2 movement fighting is fun & furious..the situation resolves itself faster .. or seems to.
3) Gameplay is actually slowed down past a certain level of development in MP using x2.
4) Use of bribing can "break" the x2 game.
5) Some people are used to x2 play & duels..& do not have the time or patience to try other methods of play.
6) Pollution also "breaks" the x2 resource game past a certain point.
7) When rounding up players .. a sit-in AI will screw up twice as fast at 2x1 or 1x2 as at 1x1... four times as fast at 2x2.. so you need to get all of your players on early if playing in a x2 mode.
8) The final say on the mode of play should rest with the host for MP... mine are always 1x1.

Dog

 

[Magnus]

I played 2X/2X ONCE, and the moment I realized that ships and planes did not get the double movement bonus, I vowed never to play such an unbalanced style of game.

 

[BorderPatrol]

I think this is one of the most intelligent discussions on this subject I have read.

Other than Eyes that is. He has just shown his usual arrogance and degenerative anti-social behavior.

I will be interested to see what the multiplayer options are with Civilization III

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[SlowwHand]

I'll play any setting, but there is no way possible 2x is faster than 1x, in any time.

You generate twice as fast and travel twice as far.
In "real" time I'm talking, if you move 100 units in 1x real time, it should take half as long as real time in 2x.

If you're building at half the rate, you change what the cities are building less often

Isn't that logical?

I mean, 2x is fine, just don't keep saying it's faster, because it's not.

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[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

2x is twice as long, as everyone has 2x units, cities and such.

Anyone that thinks otherwise isn't exactly a math genius.

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[EyesOfNight]

Amazing how all my 2x2x games end within an hour or maybe 2 max. While all these 1x1x games go on for months. We have some really intelligent people here, I can tell. This is civfanatics though afterall and everybody knows it's made up of nothing but newbies. Come on, is there at least 1 good player here? It's getting sad.

 

[SlowwHand]

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[This message has been edited by SlowwHand (edited June 25, 2001).]

 

[Dogberry_Old]

Since Eyes is here & there are not any good players here.. at least according to him..ergo Eyes must not be very good.

Dog

 

[starlifter]

Hi Dog...

I was checking out some of these other threads instead of the long one that we were doing earlier in the week on a different topic (I'll get back to that one when I have time in a day or two

) and came across this one. Your logic is undeniable concerning EyesOfNight, whoever he is (ya'll seem to know him well). Good & ironclad logic in general would go a long way in assisting many people in making their points.

Anyway, as a relative newcomer (about 2 weeks so far), there seems to be a lot of frantic personal attacking in some of these threads:

posted June 16, 2001 10:45 PM by EyesOfNight
I'm constantly amazed by the low intelligence levels of the people on Civfanatics. I have absolutely no explanation for this phenomena.

Eyes, it would be trivial to chop you up, but what's the point? You certainly do not contribute to your own points by making those irrational leaps. One must examine the underlying motivation of behavior such as yours. The implicit presumption that it is somehow encumbent upon you to explain a phenomena that, in fact, does not exist points the way to the initial determination of your curious affliction. The profiles are quite well established, but I won't jump to a conclusion just yet with such a small sample size of your thoughts.

But speaking as someone who does not know you even as a player Eyes, I'd say you were a very insecure individual who should perhaps seek some assistance in the real world. Remember, this is just a game... albeit The Best Computer Game Ever.

 

[Dogberry_Old]

Well up jumps the Devil !

Hey nice to see you up here on Park Place & Boardwalk, where we fight with Rapier & Dagger ( or like to think that we do ) instead down there on Mediterreanan Avenue, where knifefights are the rule.

Your points about Eyes are well taken, but stylistically leave something to be desired. Sometimes you need to be a forest person, other times a tree person. One note johnnies lose out.. in this format. That's the last tactical tip that you will get from me !

You must be on leave, TDY or something. You ought to get on ICQ.. unless there is something preventing it. That way when we get in to the duller portions of our mutual trash fest.. we won't bore the hell out of everybody else. Sides', I might get you involved in a game or two.. then you would be playing real Civ.. not "Talk-about-it-Civ".

Oh.. btw "nothing personal" ( that's what I always say to another player before I do them dirty ).

Dog

P.S. check your PMs.

[This message has been edited by Dogberry (edited June 28, 2001).]

 

[EyesOfNight]

You're so insecure Eyes, blah blah blah. You'd think you'd be able to get something original, however as usual you follow the trend of the other morons. It's becoming an epidemic.

P.S. Your poor use of words in an attempt to sound intelligent has betrayed your underlying ignorance.

 

[woke25]

i have already tried to keep this thread on topic several times by deleting flame post, yet it continues to go on. Can i pressume you guys want to change topic from 1x1x vs 2x2x to a flame war? If so, why not change the topic of this thread?

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[Dogberry_Old]

If I may be so conceited..bump !